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TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS FOR THE CANADIAN RADIO-TELEVISION AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION TRANSCRIPTION DES AUDIENCES DU CONSEIL DE LA RADIODIFFUSION ET DES TÉLÉCOMMUNICATIONS CANADIENNES SUBJECT / SUJET: PUBLIC CONSULTATION ON THE CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION (CBC)/ CONSULTATIONS PUBLIQUES SUR LA SOCIÉTÉ RADIO-CANADA (SRC) HELD AT: TENUE À: Crown Plaza Crown Plaza Albert Room Salle Albert 350 St. Mary Avenue 350, avenue St. Mary Winnipeg, Manitoba Winnipeg (Manitoba) March 9, 1999 Le 9 mars 1999 tel: 613-521-0703 StenoTran fax: 613-521-7668 Transcripts In order to meet the requirements of the Official Languages Act, transcripts of proceedings before the Commission will be bilingual as to their covers, the listing of the CRTC members and staff attending the public hearings, and the Table of Contents. However, the aforementioned publication is the recorded verbatim transcript and, as such, is taped and transcribed in either of the official languages, depending on the language spoken by the participant at the public hearing. Transcription Afin de rencontrer les exigences de la Loi sur les langues officielles, les procès-verbaux pour le Conseil seront bilingues en ce qui a trait à la page couverture, la liste des membres et du personnel du CRTC participant à l'audience publique ainsi que la table des matières. Toutefois, la publication susmentionnée est un compte rendu textuel des délibérations et, en tant que tel, est enregistrée et transcrite dans l'une ou l'autre des deux langues officielles, compte tenu de la langue utilisée par le participant à l'audience publique. StenoTran Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Conseil de la radiodiffusion et des télécommunications canadiennes Transcript / Transcription Public Hearing / Audience publique PUBLIC CONSULTATION ON THE CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION (CBC)/ CONSULTATIONS PUBLIQUES SUR LA SOCIÉTÉ RADIO-CANADA (SRC) BEFORE / DEVANT: Andrée Wylie Vice-Chairperson, Radio- television / Vice- présidente, Radiodiffusion ALSO PRESENT / AUSSI PRÉSENTS: Gary Krushen Director, Winnipeg Regional Office / Directeur régional, Winnipeg HELD AT: TENUE À: Crown Plaza Crown Plaza Albert Room Salle Albert 350 St. Mary Avenue 350, avenue St. Mary Winnipeg, Manitoba Winnipeg (Manitoba) March 9, 1999 Le 9 mars 1999 StenoTran ii TABLE OF CONTENTS / TABLE DES MATIÈRES PAGE Presentation by / Présentation par: Ms Lesia Szwaluk 6 M. Christian Dandeneau et M. George Parastre 11 Mr. Jack Kowalchuk 18 Mr. Greg Lowe 24 Ms Gustine Wilton 27 M. Paul Ruest 34 M. Daniel Boucher 40 Mme Mona Audet 49 Ms Evelyn Downey 53 M. René Piché 60 Ms Anna Sudletsky 68 Mr. Alex Gardiner 69 Mr. Pat Carrabre 73 Mr. Frank Lawson 80 Mr. Richard Horne 87 Ms Bernice Baldwin 94 Ms Margaret Waterman 100 Ms Roberta Christianson 104 Ms Ann Loewen 110 Mr. Menno Klassen 114 Mr. Thomas Walker 116 Reverend Harry Lehotsky 121 StenoTran iii TABLE OF CONTENTS / TABLE DES MATIÈRES PAGE Presentation by / Présentation par: Mr. Eric Pownall 126 Ms Melinda McCracken 132 Reply by / Réplique par: M. René Fontaine 139 StenoTran 1 1 Winnipeg, Manitoba 2 --- Upon commencing on Tuesday, March 9, 1999 3 at 1300 / L'audience commence le mardi 4 9 mars 1999 à 1300 5 1 THE CHAIRPERSON: Good day, ladies 6 and gentlemen, and welcome to this public consultation 7 on the CBC. 8 2 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Bonjour, mesdames et 9 messieurs. Bienvenue à cette consultation publique. 10 3 My name is Andrée Wylie and I am the 11 CRTC's Vice-Chair, Broadcasting. 12 4 Mon nom est Andrée Wylie et je suis 13 la Vice-présidente en radiodiffusion du CRTC. 14 5 We are here to gather your views and 15 comments on CBC radio and television. In your opinion, 16 how should the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation fulfil 17 its role in the coming years? 18 6 The CBC is a national public service, 19 broadcasting in English as well as in French. It plays 20 an important role in the Canadian broadcasting system. 21 Today many elements are constantly being added to the 22 broadcasting system as new technologies multiply, 23 converge, open up new horizons and increasingly offer 24 new services. In this context, we want to know what 25 are your needs and expectations as viewers and StenoTran 2 1 listeners of the CBC. 2 7 Given that, it is very important that 3 the Commission hears what you have to say. We must not 4 lose sight of the fact that the CRTC is a public 5 organization that serves Canadian citizens. In this 6 capacity, we are responsible to you. This is why my 7 fellow Commissioners and myself find it vital to come 8 and meet with you to discuss these issues and why we 9 are holding this series of regional consultations, from 10 one end of the country to the other, in eleven Canadian 11 cities, from March the 9th to March the 18th. 12 8 Ces consultations vous donnent 13 l'occasion de nous faire part de votre opinion sur le 14 rôle de Radio-Canada, le genre d'émissions qu'il vous 15 propose et l'orientation qu'il devrait se donner à la 16 veille du millénaire, aussi bien à l'échelle nationale 17 qu'aux échelles régionales et locales. 18 9 Ces consultations se font dans 19 l'esprit d'établir avec vous un dialogue ouvert et 20 d'être à l'écoute de vos préoccupations. Tous vos 21 commentaires feront partie du dossier public. Il sera 22 lui-même ajouté à celui de l'audience publique qui 23 s'ouvrira à Hull le 25 mai prochain. 24 10 At the upcoming hearing in Hull on 25 May 25th, the Commission will examine the CBC's StenoTran 3 1 application for the renewal of its licences, including 2 radio, television, specialty services, Newsworld and 3 the Réseau de l'information. You can also take part in 4 that public hearing by sending your written comments to 5 the CRTC. If you wish to do so, please remember to 6 refer to the specific licence renewals being examined 7 when you file your comments. 8 11 Now I would like to come back to 9 today's consultations. Please allow me to introduce 10 the CRTC staff person who will be assisting us today, 11 Gary Krushen, the Director of our Winnipeg Regional 12 Office, who will act as the Secretary of this 13 consultation. 14 12 Please feel free to call on him with 15 any questions you might have about the process today or 16 any other matter. 17 13 Permettez-moi de vous présenter le 18 personnel du CRTC qui nous secondera. Il s'agit de 19 M. Gary Krushen, le Directeur de notre bureau régional 20 à Winnipeg, qui agira comme secrétaire de cette 21 consultation publique. N'hésitez pas à vous adresser à 22 lui si vous avez des questions concernant la marche à 23 suivre ou toute autre question. 24 14 Pour que vous ayez tous l'occasion de 25 vous faire entendre, nous vous demandons de limiter StenoTran 4 1 votre présentation à 10 minutes. Ces consultations 2 sont votre tribune à vous et nous voulons être à 3 l'écoute du plus grand nombre possible d'intervenants. 4 Nous ne poserons pas de questions sauf si nous avons 5 besoin de clarification. 6 15 So that you will have the opportunity 7 to speak, we ask that you please limit your 8 presentation to 10 minutes. As these consultations are 9 a forum designed especially for you and we want to 10 listen to as many participants as possible, we will not 11 ask any questions unless there is a need for 12 clarification. 13 16 At the end of this session, 14 representatives from the local CBC stations will have a 15 chance to offer their views, as they are naturally very 16 interested by the issues we are discussing here today. 17 17 Before we start, I would ask 18 Mr. Krushen to go over some of the housekeeping matters 19 regarding the conduct of this consultation. 20 18 Avant de vous céder le micro, je 21 demanderais au secrétaire de l'audience, M. Krushen, de 22 vous indiquer la marche à suivre. Je vous remercie. 23 19 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you 24 Commissioner Wylie. 25 20 In a few moments I will be calling StenoTran 5 1 the first 10 names of the list that I believe each of 2 you received when you checked in and we will proceed in 3 the order in which the names are on this sheet. 4 21 I would ask that when you commence 5 your presentation to please remember to press the white 6 button on the microphone so that the court reporter and 7 translation people can easily pick up your voice. 8 22 If at the time when I call any 9 particular name that person is not in the room we will 10 call that name again at the end of the listed agenda. 11 23 For those of you who simply wish to 12 not make a presentation but may wish to make some 13 written comments, we have comment cards available at 14 the desk outside the room or you may have received it 15 when you came in here. Please feel free to comment in 16 that fashion if you choose to you. 17 24 One last housekeeping matter. For 18 those who wish to use them, we have translation 19 receivers available at the back of the room. You will 20 be asked for either your driver's licence or a major 21 credit card as a deposit. 22 25 That completes my announcements. 23 26 I would like to call the first 10 24 people. Please seat yourself as you choose around the 25 table: Lesia Szwaluk; Christian Dandeneau et George StenoTran 6 1 Parastre; Jack Kowalchuk; Scott MacNeil; Greg Lowe; 2 Gustine Wilton; Paul Ruest; Daniel Boucher; Mona Audet; 3 Evelyn Downey. 4 27 THE CHAIRPERSON: Good afternoon and 5 welcome to you all. 6 1305 7 28 MR. KRUSHEN: I would now like to ask 8 Ms Lesia Szwaluk to commence her presentation. 9 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 10 29 MS SZWALUK: Thank you. 11 30 The Ukrainian Canadian Congress was 12 founded in 1970 with the exclusive goal of unifying and 13 co-ordinating efforts of various Ukrainian 14 organizations operating across Canada. 15 31 The UCC represents the Ukrainian 16 community before the people, the Government of Canada; 17 promotes linkages with Ukraine; and identifies and 18 addresses the needs of the Ukrainian community in 19 Canada to ensure its continued existence and 20 development for the enhancement of Canada's 21 social-cultural fabric. 22 32 The Ukrainian Canadian Congress 23 welcomes the decision of the CRTC to review the role of 24 the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, CBC, the 25 programming CBC offers, and the direction CBC should StenoTran 7 1 take in the coming years, both at the national and 2 regional levels. 3 33 Since the last CBC review, Canada has 4 become a more culturally and linguistically diverse 5 country. Almost 80 per cent of the 1 million 6 immigrants who arrived here through 1991 and 1996 7 reported a mother tongue other than English or French. 8 34 A Canadian heritage and identity that 9 is common to all must be respected and promoted. 10 However, for the full and equitable participation of 11 Canada's ethnocultural communities in Canada's 12 mainstream, their cultural and social rights must be 13 preserved and enhanced. 14 35 The policies. Section 3(1)(d)(3) of 15 the Broadcasting Act states that: 16 "The Canadian Broadcasting 17 system should, through its 18 programming and the employment 19 opportunities arising out of its 20 operations, serve the needs and 21 interests and reflect the 22 circumstances and aspirations of 23 Canadian men, women and children 24 including equal rights, a 25 linguistic duality in a StenoTran 8 1 multicultural and multiracial 2 nature of Canada's society, and 3 a special place of aboriginal 4 peoples within the society." 5 (As read) 6 36 CBC should be mirroring the full 7 range of today's Canadian multicultural reality in its 8 programming. CBC must foster a society that 9 recognizes, respects and reflects a diversity of 10 culture so that peoples of all backgrounds feel a sense 11 of belonging to a truly inclusive nation that is 12 Canada. This is of greater fundamental concern today 13 than ever before in our history since 42 per cent of 14 Canada's population is neither of French or English 15 background. 16 37 The CBC, more than any other 17 broadcaster, should focus on reflecting the full range 18 of Canada's multicultural experience in dramatic 19 productions, entertainment, news coverage and 20 documentary programming. 21 38 News coverage should regularly focus 22 the community life and issues of importance to Canada's 23 diverse population and fairly report any important 24 community events and achievements. 25 39 Future documentaries must examine StenoTran 9 1 both the early and current attempts of our various 2 ethnic communities to establish themselves in Canada. 3 40 Programming directed specifically to 4 ethnocultural groups should reflect national, regional 5 and local experiences and provide information about 6 Canada. It should serve as a link to the community 7 while yet strengthens and unifies by informing 8 listeners and viewers about the larger Canadian 9 community of which they are part. 10 41 The CBC should be required to air at 11 least 10 hours per week of ethnic broadcasting which 12 should be allocated to communities based on population, 13 demand and ability of the community to produce or 14 supply programming which contains 50 per cent Canadian 15 content. This will result in heightening community 16 awareness of activities from coast to coast and the 17 promotion of greater understanding amongst Canada's 18 diverse population for which Canada will surely 19 benefit. 20 42 Radio Canada International's 21 Ukrainian programming has a threefold function: it 22 informs Ukrainians in eastern Europe about Canada and 23 its democratic way of life; it informs Ukrainians in 24 Canada about issues, events and achievements of the 25 Ukrainian Canadian community; and, it informs Canadians StenoTran 10 1 about the major developments in Ukraine and eastern 2 Europe. 3 43 RCI programs should be rebroadcast in 4 Canada through the CBC's local AM and FM stations. 5 Recommendations and conclusions of the Ukrainian 6 Canadian Congress strongly urges the CRTC to ensure 7 that the CBC, more than any other broadcaster, focuses 8 on reflecting the full range of Canada's multicultural 9 experience and all its programming; two, the CBC 10 allocate at least 10 hours per week of ethnic 11 broadcasting; three, RCI programs be rebroadcast in 12 Canada through the CBC's local AM and FM stations; and, 13 four, the CBC adheres to the spirit of values 14 entrenched in the Broadcasting Act, the Canadian 15 Multiculturalism Act, the Canadian Human Rights Act, 16 and the Canadian Charter of Rights or Freedom, and the 17 creation of any programming. 18 44 Thank you. 19 45 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you very 20 much, Ms Szwaluk. 21 46 Mr. Krushen. 22 1310 23 47 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 24 Commissioner Wylie. 25 48 Maintenant, j'appelle M. Christian StenoTran 11 1 Dandeneau et M. George Parastre. 2 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 3 49 M. DANDENEAU: Bon après-midi, Madame 4 la Commissaire. Je me nomme Christian Dandeneau. Je 5 suis membre du C.A. d'Oniric et je réside au Manitoba. 6 50 J'aimerais maintenant vous présenter 7 George Parastre, membre du C.A. d'Oniric, qui vous fera 8 une brève description de notre organisation. 9 51 M. PARASTRE: Madame la Commissaire. 10 52 Oniric, dont les lettres veulent dire 11 Organisme de nouvelles initiatives régionales en 12 information et communication, est un organisme 13 interprovincial à but non-lucratif de l'ouest canadien 14 qui existe depuis plus de trois ans. Son conseil 15 d'administration est composé de professionnels du monde 16 des nouveaux médias et du secteur de l'éducation 17 provenant des diverses provinces de l'ouest ainsi que 18 du territoire que couvre Oniric et qui comprend aussi 19 le Yukon et les Territoires-du-nord-ouest. 20 53 Tel que le décrit sa mission, Oniric 21 regroupe des intervenants dont le but commun est de 22 créer un environnement qui promouvoit l'entrepreneuriat 23 chez les francophones de l'ouest canadien dans le 24 domaines des médias numériques. Oniric accomplit cette 25 mission en assumant le mandat de réaliser des activités StenoTran 12 1 de recherche et de développement, d'assurer l'accès à 2 des services d'appui de formation, en établissant des 3 partenariats, en faisant de la sensibilisation et de la 4 promotion. 5 54 Il est évident que pour les 6 représentants d'Oniric, les enjeux du réseautage via 7 l'internet sont trop nombreux pour que les intervenants 8 francophones, que ce soit les écoles, les communautés 9 et les institutions, ne s'y engagent pas énergiquement. 10 Et c'est sur ce point même que je vais repasser la 11 parole à mon collègue Christian qui va vous présenter 12 notre mémoire plus formel. 13 55 M. DANDENEAU: Merci, George. 14 56 Notre présentation devant vous 15 aujourd'hui dans le cadre d'audience en vue du 16 renouvellement de licence d'exploitation de la Société 17 Radio-Canada s'appuie sur l'importance que cette 18 Société de la couronne représente quand au 19 développement des communautés francophones et des 20 jeunes francophones de l'ouest canadien et des 21 territoires. 22 57 Il est important de rappeler le rôle 23 essentiel que Radio-Canada a joué tout au long de son 24 histoire dans l'ouest dans le soutien au développement 25 des communautés francophones, que ce soit en StenoTran 13 1 fournissant des services d'information, en produisant 2 des programmes culturelles et en procurant aux 3 francophones de ces régions un lieu d'expression et un 4 outil de rassemblement. Il faut également noter que la 5 Société Radio-Canada continue de jouer ce rôle malgré 6 les importantes réductions budgétaires qu'elle a subies 7 dans les dernières années. 8 58 Il est essentiel que Radio-Canada 9 continue de jouer ce rôle. La Société doit aussi 10 s'assurer que notre réalité régionale trouve une place 11 sur l'ensemble du réseau, particulièrement à la télé, 12 sous forme de productions locales, documentaires et 13 autres, en partenariat avec le secteur privé. 14 59 D'un intérêt plus spécifique pour 15 Oniric, à l'heure des médias numériques et alors qu'on 16 assiste à une convergence des médias, nous constatons 17 que la radio de la Société Radio-Canada s'engage avec 18 détermination dans le monde de l'internet où elle 19 occupe déjà une place remarquable. Elle est le premier 20 réseau de radio francophone au monde qui diffuse en 21 continu sur l'internet. 22 60 Dans un monde où les médias 23 numériques sont la voix du présent et de l'avenir, la 24 Société Radio-Canada dans l'ouest entend aussi élargir 25 ce mandat et devenir un partenaire communautaire dans StenoTran 14 1 une intervention dont bénéficieront écoles et 2 communautés francophones. 3 61 Si nous pouvons appuyer cette 4 démarche, c'est que nos stratégies de développement 5 reposent sur trois éléments principaux qui 6 s'harmonisent avec la vision et le mandat élargi de 7 Radio-Canada dans nos régions. 8 62 Nous voulons en effet, premièrement, 9 privilégier la formation et l'éducation des jeunes de 10 nos provinces et territoires, particulièrement dans le 11 domaine des nouveaux médias, en vue d'assurer une 12 relève qui sera à même d'intervenir en région dans la 13 préparation d'un nouveau contenu et la mise en place de 14 technologies répondant aux besoins de nos communautés. 15 63 Dans un premier temps, il s'agit de 16 développer chez les jeunes une compréhension des médias 17 et leur rôle dans notre société. Mais il faut aussi 18 les familiariser avec les techniques spécifiques aux 19 médias numériques, particulièrement la radio, afin de 20 les inviter à produire pour leurs écoles, leurs 21 communautés et éventuellement au niveau national. 22 64 Deuxièmement, fournir aux jeunes 23 entrepreneurs francophones de l'ouest des occasions de 24 travailler et de se perfectionner en français en 25 nouveaux médias dans un environnement professionnel StenoTran 15 1 alors que les occasions d'emploi au sein des grandes 2 institutions d'état deviennent de plus en plus 3 limitées. 4 65 Ce sera aussi pour eux l'occasion de 5 développer des produits dans les deux langues 6 officielles du pays, et finalement, de permettre aux 7 détenteurs de droit d'auteur du domaine culturel de 8 diffuser ses oeuvres dans les nouveaux médias. 9 66 Aujourd'hui, la radio de Radio-Canada 10 veut jouer un rôle actif en partenariat avec d'autres 11 intervenants dans le soutien des communautés 12 francophones. Certaines des initiatives déjà mises de 13 l'avant par Radio-Canada en ce qui concerne la 14 formation et l'éducation témoignent de cette vision et 15 de cet engagement. 16 67 Ces initiatives visent 17 particulièrement un développement de la radio dans les 18 régions par la culture et l'information. Ceci repose 19 sur la nouvelle présence des stations régionales de 20 radio sur le réseau d'internet. Ainsi, Radio-Canada 21 veut utiliser les nouvelles technologies pour se 22 rapprocher des communautés. 23 68 La production en région d'un CD-ROM 24 permettant l'accès et une utilisation profitable et 25 facile des contenus des sites de Radio-Canada par les StenoTran 16 1 jeunes et le grand public contribuera à cet objectif. 2 69 Le fonds MicroRadio(ph) est aussi une 3 initiative de Radio-Canada. Ce projet vise la 4 production de matériel destiné à la clientèle jeunesse 5 et à la clientèle scolaire jusqu'au secondaire. 6 70 Radio-Canada veut aussi être associé 7 à des expériences de perfectionnement en productions 8 radiophoniques et en multimédias ici-même à 9 St. Boniface, un programme destiné aux jeunes de 10 l'ouest. 11 71 Radio-Canada veut également être 12 associé à des programmes de formation en productions 13 radiophoniques numériques pour les jeunes, une 14 formation qui pourrait faciliter d'autres initiatives 15 communautaires ou scolaires en radio. 16 72 Il est essentiel de souligner le 17 leadership que le Canada joue dans le développement des 18 nouvelles technologies dans un monde francophone. Les 19 initiatives régionales que nous avons décrites peuvent 20 contribuer à ce rôle de leadership et amener d'autres 21 importantes retombées pour le Canada et pour nos 22 régions dans ce domaine. Il est toutefois important de 23 préciser les conditions au soutien que nous apportons à 24 ces initiatives. 25 73 Malgré ce que l'on dit de la StenoTran 17 1 révolution numérique, notamment qu'elle abolit les 2 distances et qu'elle a un effet rassembleur, on 3 pourrait être tenté de profiter des avantages de cette 4 technologie pour gérer les démarches proposées de trop 5 loin et donc de réduire la présence locale de 6 Radio-Canada. C'est le contraire qu'il faut faire. 7 74 L'enracinement de Radio-Canada dans 8 les communautés et sa présence continue et renforcée 9 dans nos régions sont indispensables si la Société veut 10 baser son intervention, telle qu'elle se doit, sur une 11 connaissance approfondie de sa spécificité, des 12 intérêts et des aspirations des francophones de 13 l'ouest. 14 75 L'engagement des représentants de 15 Radio-Canada nous assure que les conditions ci-dessus 16 mentionnées seront remplies. Donc, pour toutes les 17 raisons précédemment énoncées, c'est avec plaisir que 18 nous appuyons le renouvellement de la licence de la 19 Société Radio-Canada ici au Manitoba et naturellement 20 dans les autres régions de l'ouest canadien et les 21 territoires. 22 76 Nous vous remercions de nous avoir 23 donner cette occasion de présenter notre point. Merci. 24 77 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Nous vous remercions, 25 MM. Dandeneau et Parastre, pour votre présentation. StenoTran 18 1 78 Monsieur Krushen. 2 1320 3 79 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 4 Commissioner Wylie. 5 80 I would now like to call 6 Mr. Jack Kowalchuk. 7 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 8 81 MR. KOWALCHUK: Thank you very much. 9 82 I live in a small farming town about 10 100 miles north of Winnipeg called Fisher Branch. At 11 Fisher Branch we have the CBC tower which is 12 approximately a mile and a half from my house. 13 83 The views that I'm saying today are 14 the views of being a viewer of CBC and a person that 15 listens to CBC radio quite often. 16 84 To start the day off, I turn on the 17 TV to CBC because we -- okay, we just have two choices, 18 CBC and CTV. CTV, half the time, the picture is not 19 very good -- very bad, very fuzzy. CBC is quite well, 20 so we watch CBC quite often. 21 85 However, being 100 miles north of 22 Winnipeg, I turn on the TV in the morning and the first 23 thing I see is Mykasou(ph) Morning, I hear bingo from 24 Thompson and then music from Churchill with pictures 25 from Churchill. I'm quite disappointed in that. StenoTran 19 1 86 I go to work and come back about five 2 o'clock, go downstairs, watch the kids, the kids are 3 watching CBC Simpsons -- bad programming, bad timing, 4 bad altogether. 5 87 However, CBC is not all that bad. 6 I'm just saying the view of the -- now, this is my day. 7 88 However, I do have a lot of time 8 during the wintertime; I'm fairly busy in the 9 summertime. I like to watch CBC TV. It's a good 10 network and CBC should keep up the good work. However, 11 I think they are missing the viewpoint of the viewers. 12 They have lost their touch in communicating with the 13 people that watch TV at all. 14 89 Okay, Saturday night -- Hockey Night 15 in Canada, back-to-back, Hockey Night in Canada. I 16 love hockey; my kids are in hockey. Back-to-back night 17 Hockey Night in Canada. It comes from where? Toronto. 18 Rename the CBC the TBC, the Toronto Broadcasting 19 Corporation. I'm sick and tired of seeing stuff from 20 the east. We don't get stuff here locally. 21 90 When we had the Winnipeg Jets for a 22 hockey team we were trying to get the Jets to be on TV. 23 We couldn't get them. We couldn't even get the Jets 24 when they were playing away. We got Toronto, Toronto, 25 Toronto, maybe Montreal and then they go to Vancouver. StenoTran 20 1 91 So I think you should look at that 2 more often. You should keep in touch with your 3 viewers. 4 92 However, Sunday night comes along you 5 have Walt Disney. Fantastic. You have some fantastic 6 programs on there the kids like. Wind on my Back and 7 all those shows are great. However, you bring in 8 specials at the wrong time. You brought the Junos, 9 that's great, but three hours of it? Come on, have a 10 heart. Okay. There is stuff that -- you know, figure 11 skating the whole week. Too much. 12 93 You put on too much stuff at one time 13 and it gets boring. I get frustrated so I turn back to 14 CTV and they have figure skating, too, so I lose both 15 ways, you know. 16 94 However, we up there believe that CBC 17 should become a multichannel network for the people 18 that don't have the privileges of living in the big 19 towns, in the big cities, and the big luxury visions 20 and watching cable TV and all that. 21 95 I would like to recommend that CBC 22 definitely look into installing Newsworld, you know, 23 100 miles north of Winnipeg. If I could get bingo in 24 Churchill I'm pretty sure that I could get Newsworld 25 100 miles north. That should be a network must. StenoTran 21 1 96 Another network that they should 2 provide is a sports network, totally sports. When the 3 world soccer was on I was frustrated. I couldn't watch 4 it. I would have loved to have watched the world 5 soccer games. I would love to watch the world 6 championships and a few of those games. We had some 7 Mexican students stay at our place and they were truly 8 disappointed because they couldn't watch, like, world 9 soccer. 10 97 And the third feature would be keep 11 your regular channel but maybe provide an entertainment 12 channel, more of the movie channel, and stuff like 13 that. 14 98 When CBC does have something on good 15 and nice to watch -- like, they do have good movies 16 occasionally -- they kill us with too much advertising: 17 15 minutes of movie, 15 minutes of advertising; 18 15 minutes of movie, 20 minutes of advertising. It's 19 terrible. 20 99 You know, we have come to watch TV. 21 We know it costs a lot of money. We are paying for it 22 through our taxes. We are supporting it by looking at 23 it. Maybe the art of communication between the viewer 24 and CBC must be improved in the TV section. 25 100 Another frustration I have with the StenoTran 22 1 CBC is that when they were cutting back the funds to 2 the corporation we had some fantastic local programs. 3 We had the Coleman and Company. That was great. It 4 dealt with Manitobans working in Manitoba. The first 5 thing off the air. The first thing when CBC slashed 6 their budget, the first thing to go was the good local 7 programs, and that's wrong. People get mad and 8 frustrated. People aren't very happy. 9 101 So what do the people do? They go 10 out and buy satellite dishes. They go out and by sky 11 cable. They invest their money to get alternative 12 programming because the CBC was not providing the 13 programs that they had which they enjoyed in the past. 14 So they went out and bought something else. So you are 15 losing a lot of people up north. You are losing a lot 16 of people in the rural areas. 17 102 Okay. I would like to talk a little 18 bit about CBC radio. It's good. 19 103 CBC radio has maintained local 20 program. This is good. CBC radio has a fantastic 21 morning show, keep up the good work; and they have a 22 fantastic news show at six o'clock, keep up the good 23 work. In between is okay. 24 104 CBC radio has multi bands. If you 25 want to listen to classical music you can; if you want StenoTran 23 1 to listen to it in the north you could. It's good. 2 There's no complaints of CBC radio. 3 105 Finally, I didn't come here to praise 4 the CBC but I didn't come here to run them down. What 5 I would like to see the CBC do or the Commission -- I 6 blame you guys, too. I came down here thinking, "I'll 7 come down here, see a bunch of guys from the east, big 8 table, big books, a bunch a lawyers on one end, you 9 guys on the other end, and I'll be sitting back there 10 facing you with the intention, which I truly believe 11 will happen, that this is a formality." But how much 12 of this stuff will you really listen to? 13 106 We believe that you have a platform 14 and these are the things you have to do. We believe 15 that the government of today has given you a mandate to 16 spend money or save money -- I don't know -- but I 17 believe, and a lot of people back where I come from 18 believe, that things are going to happen to the CBC 19 which may downgrade it. Don't downgrade it. 20 107 Make CBC a competitive TV station 21 like you did with the radio station. Look at multi 22 channels, look at different ways, but first of all talk 23 to your viewers. I guess the main word I'm saying is 24 "communication". You have lost the art of 25 communication and some people are getting frustrated. StenoTran 24 1 108 So, in closing, thank you very much 2 for this short time to make a presentation. 3 109 Keep up the good work, keep up the 4 good thoughts, but don't lose your viewers, okay? 5 110 Thank you. 6 111 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 7 Mr. Kowalchuk. 8 112 As you can see, we got you to sit 9 very close. Thank you for your presentation. 10 113 Mr. Krushen. 11 1328 12 114 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 13 Commissioner Wylie. 14 115 I would now like to call 15 Mr. Scott MacNeil. 16 116 It doesn't appear that Mr. MacNeil is 17 in the room. 18 117 Now I would like to call 19 Mr. Greg Lowe. 20 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 21 118 MR. LOWE: Hi. Can you hear me? 22 119 THE CHAIRPERSON: Yes, we can. 23 120 MR. LOWE: Okay. Testing. 24 121 THE CHAIRPERSON: Welcome. Good 25 afternoon, Mr. Lowe. StenoTran 25 1 122 MR. LOWE: I'm a composer, a 2 musician. I just have a couple of points to make and 3 one very definite one. 4 123 First of all, the CBC is doing a 5 great job as far as content of local performers and 6 supporting artists in every genre. I feel it is very 7 evenly dispersed. 8 124 The specific issue that I would like 9 to bring up is, as an orchestra composer, with the new 10 technology coming in, at the present time when you 11 actually get an orchestra piece recorded and broadcast, 12 which would cost the CBC well over $10,000 in musician 13 fees and recording, those pieces are broadcast twice 14 and then they are put on the shelf. For the amount of 15 money it takes to commission a composer and to record 16 and broadcast the performance, it seems like two 17 broadcasts are very minimal and, also, I guess the 18 composer loses access to that recording and doesn't 19 have access to the master tapes. 20 125 Recently there has been -- on smaller 21 projects, the CBC has been initiating or attempting to 22 initiate a project that when a musician does record 23 music there is a possibility of leasing the master tape 24 back and producing CDs and being able to sell them in 25 the -- if they can get distribution of some sort, and StenoTran 26 1 at the same time the CBC would be getting an allotment 2 back off of the sales giving them an opportunity 3 perhaps to make some of their own money back, although 4 in the case of orchestra music that is unlikely. 5 126 My point is, with the new technology 6 coming in, there will be scheduled broadcasting but I 7 assume there will also be the option for the public to 8 select what radio programs they want to listen to 9 without having to tune in at a specific time, which 10 means they would be downloading the program, which 11 means that they would be downloading an orchestra 12 piece. My question is: If the present situation is 13 that when you have a piece recorded and it can only be 14 broadcast twice, how is it going to sit in the digital 15 world where people can download it as many times as 16 they would like without some form of payment that would 17 go back to the CBC and in fact back to the musicians? 18 127 This is obviously a question for the 19 AF of M and CBC to sort out. But my concern is that it 20 might make it more difficult for an orchestral composer 21 to get work recorded because it will indeed become more 22 expensive. 23 128 So that is basically the issue that I 24 wanted to bring up. 25 129 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, StenoTran 27 1 Mr. Lowe. 2 130 Your concern is in part the copyright 3 issue? 4 131 MR. LOWE: Yes. 5 132 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you for your 6 presentation. 7 133 Mr. Krushen. 8 1331 9 134 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 10 Commissioner Wylie. 11 135 I would now like to call 12 Ms Gustine Wilton. 13 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 14 136 MS WILTON: Thank you. 15 137 I would like to begin by introducing 16 ourselves. Beside me is Jeanne Ball and in the 17 audience Ivy MacNeil, Dorothy Donnelly and 18 Bruce MacNeil, and we are regular attenders of the 19 Wednesday Morning Meetings. 20 138 Wednesday Morning Meetings have been 21 happening in Carmen, a town of 2,500, 70 kilometres 22 southwest of Winnipeg for almost 19 years. Each week 23 we have a speaker, film or discussion and our topics 24 are wide ranging: the arts; health; nature; science; 25 current issues; local, national and international StenoTran 28 1 politics; et cetera. 2 139 At one of our recent meetings it 3 became clear that in an audience of twenty-some, almost 4 without exception, we were fans of the CBC. It was 5 this rather dramatic unanimity that suggested to us 6 that we might have something to say at these hearings. 7 140 We are rural people and the CBC 8 connects us to other communities and people in our 9 province, our country and the world. It helps to keep 10 us current in literature, music, visual arts, politics 11 and government, business, the law, justice, science. 12 We are here to add our voices to those who believe that 13 a strong public broadcaster, well supported by public 14 funds, is essential to Canada continuing as a country 15 with a strong identity. 16 141 On the whole, we believe the CBC 17 fulfils its role as a national public broadcaster very 18 well. It brings the country and the world into our 19 homes. 20 142 We appreciate the TV documentaries 21 and specials as well as regular programs such as The 22 Nature of Things, Market Place, The Health Show, 23 Witness, and The Fifth Estate. Drama series like 24 DaVinci's Inquest and North of 60 are not afraid to be 25 obviously set in Canada. Seeing ourselves reflected in StenoTran 29 1 our media is essentially essential to our sense of who 2 we are and to our sense of it being okay to be who we 3 are. 4 143 For most of us, radio is an even more 5 important medium than TV. It entertains us and informs 6 us. It tells us what other Canadians are thinking and 7 doing. High quality programs such as Quirks and 8 Quarks, The Vinyl Cafe, As It Happens, The Inside 9 Track, Ideas, Between the Covers, and Tapestry simply 10 do not exist on commercial radio stations. 11 144 Connecting Canadians to each other 12 and to our culture is an important role for a public 13 broadcaster and CBC has done this well in the past and 14 we hope will continue to do so in the future. 15 145 The CBC has also been a leader in 16 having women and people from a variety of racial and 17 ethnic backgrounds among their on-air personnel. We 18 applaud the CBC for this leadership. We believe it 19 makes a positive contribution to our society by helping 20 to break down gender and racial stereotype. 21 146 The CBC promotes the development of 22 Canadian talent in music and literature. We see this 23 as an important function of a public broadcaster. 24 Because they are not dependent on ratings, they can 25 afford to explore the new and the fringes. They don't StenoTran 30 1 have to stick to the already popular and to the safe. 2 147 Regional and national programming are 3 both important services of the CBC. If others can do 4 local programming better, why do we always have our 5 radios tuned to the CBC? 6 148 For us, in a rural community, the 7 Radio Noon show is an important one and in fact there 8 are many of our neighbours who may not be so hooked on 9 the rest of CBC broadcasting but make a point of tuning 10 in to Radio Noon. It is simply the most comprehensive 11 show of its kind. 12 149 We would urge the CBC to keep this 13 rural content. In spite of our relatively small 14 numbers, our urban neighbours need to stay in touch 15 with rural issues and people. Farming and fishing, 16 after all, are our primary industries. It would be a 17 great loss if more budget cuts squeeze the CBC further 18 and our regional broadcasting has to cover wider areas. 19 It's important for us to be informed about the issues 20 arising for town councils and school boards in our 21 province, what's happening in local art galleries and 22 concert halls, what the local weather is and what's 23 happening in our provincial legislature. 24 150 Many people in our group felt that 25 one recent change did not improve the local versus StenoTran 31 1 national balance and would like to see 24 Hours Late 2 Night restored to its 11:00 p.m. time slot instead of 3 repeating The National at that time; 11:25 we felt is 4 too late for local news. 5 151 Should programming provided by the 6 CBC radio and television be different? 7 152 Of course it should. Because it is 8 supported by public funding, it does not have to be a 9 slave to ratings. It can provide service to more 10 specialized groups both in terms of interest and 11 geography. A one-hour program of conversation with the 12 author of a literary work may not be to everyone's 13 taste, but Writers and Company is intensely interesting 14 to some and CBC should continue to meet such 15 specialized needs. 16 153 By the same token, CBC has a 17 responsibility to report on and to isolated and remote 18 communities in Canada. It's a service essential to our 19 sense of who we are as Canadians, and private 20 broadcasters are not likely to choose to provide it. 21 154 Canadians also need international 22 news reported from a Canadian perspective. While 23 private broadcasters may choose to hire other nationals 24 to do much of their overseas reporting, we believe the 25 CBC has a responsibility to provide Canadian coverage. StenoTran 32 1 155 There are of course things that we 2 don't like about the CBC. Many find the comedy of Air 3 Farce and Comics coarse and questions if it has to be 4 on at all could it not be at a later time. Warnings 5 alone are insufficient. 6 156 The events surrounding the APEC 7 Conference in Vancouver have us wondering if there is 8 enough distance between the government and the CBC. Is 9 there a danger of censorship? 10 157 We think that advertisements during 11 the news are inappropriate and two hockey games on 12 Saturday night are at least one too many. 13 158 Occasionally, the CBC has given us 14 more coverage of an event than we want. Did we need 15 Peter Mansbridge reporting from London night after 16 night following Princess Diana's death; and, although 17 radio showed that it could provide a community service 18 of a different kind during the flood, in our opinion, 19 it continued past its usefulness. 20 159 To this point I have been talking 21 about the CBC as a listener and a viewer. A few times, 22 however, I have been closer to news events and those 23 experiences have raised concerns about how news is done 24 by various media outlets, including the CBC. 25 160 Several years ago, Wednesday Morning StenoTran 33 1 had a legislature reporter from the CBC as our guest. 2 In response to a question about Major Gas, this 3 reporter said that the worst thing that had ever 4 happened was that they hadn't foreseen the big Liberal 5 gains in the recent provincial election. It surprised 6 me that she saw predicting the news as a media 7 responsibility. 8 161 During the Meech Lake debate, I was 9 registered as a presenter at the hearings in Winkler. 10 A few days before the session a CBC producer phoned me 11 to ask about the content of my presentation. She 12 indicated that they had covered the points I was making 13 after the Brandon hearings and that they were really 14 looking for the anti-Quebec story. In fact, that story 15 didn't show up at Winkler. In my opinion, another TV 16 station that sent a reporter and a camera operator to 17 the hearings and gave a summary of the presentations 18 did what had to be done. 19 162 Some years ago my husband attended a 20 meeting called to discuss crisis in agriculture. 21 Hundreds of farmers gathered in a community hall. The 22 scene was of recent debate. People expressed their 23 opinions calmly and articulately, all except one 24 hothead who was neither calm nor reasonable. Who do 25 you think was interviewed for the news. StenoTran 34 1 163 I wonder if it's time that media 2 people re-thought their man-bites-dog definition of 3 news. We consumers of news depend on the media to be 4 our ears and eyes, and when they choose to report the 5 exceptional rather than the event they do us a 6 disservice. We don't need the news predicted nor 7 created nor distorted. We can have confidence in a 8 news service that reports, describes and analyzes. CBC 9 as a public broadcaster can and should be that news 10 service. 11 164 Thank you. 12 165 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 13 Ms Wilton, for your presentation and for the presence 14 of the Wednesday Group on Tuesday. 15 166 MS WILTON: On Tuesday. 16 (Off microphone...) 17 167 THE CHAIRPERSON: Mr. Krushen. 18 1342 19 168 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 20 Commissioner Wylie. 21 169 Maintenant, j'appelle M. Paul Ruest. 22 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 23 170 M. RUEST: Bonjour, Madame la 24 Commissaire. 25 171 Monsieur Krushen. StenoTran 35 1 172 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Bonjour, 2 Monsieur Ruest. 3 173 M. RUEST: Je tiens à vous remercier 4 pour la tenue de ces audiences portant sur l'avenir de 5 la Société Radio-Canada. 6 174 Permettez-moi de me présenter ainsi 7 que l'établissement que je représente. Je suis Paul 8 Ruest, Recteur du Collège universitaire de 9 St. Boniface, université de langue française du 10 Manitoba et la seule université de langue française de 11 l'ouest canadien. Les débuts de notre établissement 12 remontent à 1818 et notre histoire est intimement liée 13 à celle des francophones du Manitoba. 14 175 Notre établissement accueille 15 aujourd'hui les diplômés des écoles secondaires 16 francophones et d'immersion française. Il est 17 également devenu, au cours des dernières années, une 18 université d'accueil pour des étudiants et étudiantes 19 un peu partout à travers le monde qui choisissent de 20 venir étudier en français au Manitoba. 21 176 Le Collège universitaire a contribué 22 à la formation de plusieurs des employés de la Société 23 Radio-Canada qui oeuvrent présentement ou qui ont 24 contribué dans le passé, soit ici-même à Winnipeg ou 25 ailleurs au Canada. On n'a qu'à mentionner M. Henri StenoTran 36 1 Bergeron comme diplômé du Collège. 2 177 Notre représentation portera sur deux 3 points: soit le principe d'un réseau public et son 4 importance pour une population francophone vivant en 5 milieu minoritaire. 6 178 La Société Radio-Canada a été soumise 7 au cours des dernières années à un régime d'austérité 8 tout en questionnant la nécessité-même d'un tel réseau 9 public. Certains éléments de la population canadienne 10 ont questionné le rôle de l'état dans le domaine de la 11 radio et télédiffusion à l'égard qu'il s'agissait là 12 d'une dépense publique inutile et d'un domaine 13 d'activité qui relève davantage de l'entreprise privée. 14 179 Nous ne partageons pas ce point de 15 vue. À notre avis, la Société Radio-Canada est une 16 institution qui contribue à l'identité canadienne et 17 qui répond à un mandat unique qui ne pourrait être 18 rencontré par une agence privée. Son statut public 19 fait en sorte qu'elle doit répondre aux aspirations et 20 aux besoins des citoyens et citoyennes canadiennes 21 plutôt que des impératifs privés axés sur la quête des 22 profits financiers. 23 180 Il est à noter que ce qui est 24 important n'est pas toujours rentable et ce qui est 25 rentable n'est pas toujours très important. StenoTran 37 1 181 C'est d'ailleurs ce statut 2 particulier qui lui permet de véritablement refléter 3 les valeurs canadiennes. Elle possède ainsi 4 l'autonomie et la latitude nécessaire pour offrir un 5 service parfois pas très rentable mais important pour 6 la population canadienne. 7 182 La Société Radio-Canada est reconnue 8 pour la qualité de sa programmation, son sens de 9 l'objectivité dans le partage de l'information et sa 10 présence partout au Canada... entre tous les Canadiens, 11 peu importe où ils demeurent. 12 183 La programmation en français de la 13 Société Radio-Canada occupe une place non-négligeable 14 dans la vie des francophones qui vivent en milieu 15 minoritaire. Nous savons tous que cette présence est 16 rarement rentable pour un diffuseur, mais elle est 17 doublement importante pour les populations isolées, 18 tant sur le plan géographique que linguistique et 19 culturel. 20 184 Elle contribue au maintien et au 21 développement des communautés francophones, et dans ce 22 sens, elle aide au gouvernement du Canada à s'acquitter 23 de ses engagements, tel que prévu par la Loi sur les 24 Langues officielles. 25 185 Aucune entreprise privée serait en StenoTran 38 1 mesure de maintenir à long terme un tel engagement qui 2 se veut aucunement rentable sur le plan financier. 3 D'ailleurs, on n'a qu'à penser à la réticence des 4 câblodistributeurs à incorporer des chaînes françaises 5 dans leur offre pour comprendre qu'il serait utopique 6 de penser qu'une entreprise privée pourrait remplacer 7 la Société Radio-Canada. 8 186 D'autre part, il faut noter que la 9 SRC offre des services de nature parfois moins connue 10 ou moins appréciée par les personnes qui ne vivent pas 11 dans des milieux linguistiques minoritaires. Il s'agit 12 de services que je qualifie d'ordre pédagogique. 13 187 La SRC nous offre en permanence un 14 modèle de langue alors que la situation en milieu 15 minoritaire tend vers l'appauvrissement linguistique. 16 Elle vient appuyer nos efforts pour l'apprentissage du 17 français tout en faisant connaître la francophonie 18 canadienne sous ses multiples facettes à ceux et celles 19 qui veulent la découvrir. 20 188 Il s'agit là d'un puissant outil 21 pédagogique pour l'enseignement de la langue première 22 comme pour l'apprentissage de l'autre langue officielle 23 du Canada, et du même coup, cette présence quotidienne 24 au sein de notre vie contribue à un véritable 25 rapprochement entre les différentes communautés StenoTran 39 1 francophones vivant au Canada. Cette présence et ce 2 service irremplaçable ne pourraient être assurés par 3 une entreprise qui doit s'autofinancer ou qui n'est pas 4 clairement mandatée de contribuer à la promotion de 5 l'identité canadienne. 6 189 Il ne faudrait cependant pas 7 conclure, à partir de mes commentaires, que nous sommes 8 complètement enchantés des services offerts par la SRC. 9 Il est évident que sa programmation n'est pas en mesure 10 de répondre à tous les goûts à tout temps. 11 190 Nous sommes d'ailleurs heureux de 12 constater que la SRC s'intéresse au domaine des réseaux 13 spécialisés d'information. Il s'agit là de nouveaux 14 outils d'information dont nous saurons prendre 15 pleinement avantage et auxquels il nous fera plaisir de 16 contribuer. 17 191 D'autre part, nous tenons à souligner 18 l'importance d'augmenter le nombre de productions en 19 région. Celles-ci sont particulièrement utiles pour 20 promouvoir un véritable sens de l'identité canadienne. 21 Elle permet de développer un sens d'appartenance des 22 différentes régions au réseau national tout en leur 23 donnant l'occasion de développer leurs compétences dans 24 le domaine de la production. L'ère des nouvelles 25 technologies devrait grandement faciliter ce genre de StenoTran 40 1 productions. 2 192 Enfin, il serait important que la SRC 3 entreprenne une véritable campagne de promotion de sa 4 programmation auprès des jeunes. Il faudrait qu'elle 5 se fasse mieux connaître auprès des écoles et des 6 universités. À notre avis, la SRC offre d'excellents 7 produits qui ne sont pas suffisamment connus par le 8 public en général et surtout par la jeunesse. 9 193 J'espère que ces quelques 10 commentaires vous auront été utiles et je profite de 11 l'occasion pour vous souhaiter des audiences 12 fructueuses qui contribueront à l'avancement de la 13 Société Radio-Canada. Et soi-dit en passant, Madame la 14 Commissaire, cette initiative est extraordinaire. 15 194 Je vous remercie. 16 195 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Nous vous remercions, 17 Monsieur Ruest, pour votre présentation. 18 196 Monsieur Krushen. 19 1349 20 197 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 21 Commissioner Wylie. 22 198 Maintenant, j'appelle 23 M. Daniel Boucher. 24 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 25 199 M. BOUCHER: Bonjour, Madame la StenoTran 41 1 Commissaire. Bienvenue de nouveau au Manitoba. 2 200 Monsieur Krushen, bonjour. 3 201 Je m'appelle Daniel Boucher et je 4 suis le Président et Directeur-général de la Société 5 franco-manitobaine. 6 202 La Société franco-manitobaine est 7 l'organisme porte-parole officiel de la communauté 8 francophone du Manitoba. Elle veille à 9 l'épanouissement de cette communauté et revendique le 10 plein respect de ses droits. De concert avec ses 11 partenaires, elle planifie et facilite le développement 12 global de la collectivité et en fait la promotion. 13 203 Aujourd'hui, vous entendrez les 14 propos de la Société franco-manitobaine ainsi que 15 d'autres groupes de la communauté -- et vous en avez 16 déjà entendu quelques-uns -- en ce qui a trait au rôle 17 de Radio-Canada dans notre communauté et nos besoins en 18 tant que communauté de langues officielles. 19 204 Je vous remercie de cette occasion de 20 faire valoir le point de vue sur la Société 21 Radio-Canada car tel que vous le constaterez dans notre 22 présentation, la Société Radio-Canada, tant la 23 télévision que la radio, joue un rôle primordial dans 24 notre communauté et dans l'ensemble de nos communautés, 25 et ce, d'un océan à l'autre. StenoTran 42 1 205 Vous conviendrez que la Société 2 Radio-Canada a joué un rôle direct de développement 3 dans notre communauté, et ce, depuis plusieurs années. 4 La Société Radio-Canada a été pour plusieurs de nos 5 communautés et à plusieurs points de vue le seul 6 véhicule de média francophone. 7 206 Ici au Manitoba, nous avons la chance 8 d'accéder d'autres médias qui jouent des rôles 9 particuliers dans notre communauté. Je cite en exemple 10 la radio communautaire qui offre principalement un 11 service de divertissement et qui se démarque 12 considérablement du service de Radio-Canada, qui est 13 plutôt axé sur l'information. 14 207 Nous sommes également bien servis par 15 notre journal hebdomadaire "La Liberté". Nous avons 16 aussi accès à d'autres postes de télévision français 17 que nous apprécions énormément. Il s'agit cependant 18 d'un produit que nous consommons beaucoup mais auquel 19 nous ne participons pas à la production. L'avantage de 20 la SRC est que nous pouvons non seulement consommer le 21 produit mais aussi participer à sa production. 22 208 La Société Radio-Canada, je réitère, 23 a participé au développement de la communauté 24 francophone du Manitoba. Au niveau du poste de radio, 25 qui existe depuis plus de 50 ans, nous avons pu StenoTran 43 1 développer une radio qui reflète la plupart des 2 activités qui existent dans notre communauté. Nous 3 avons des émissions de qualité qui sont produites chez 4 nous et qui renforcent l'identité de notre 5 collectivité. 6 209 Si on écoute à la radio de 7 Radio-Canada le matin, le midi et en fin d'après-midi, 8 nous avons non seulement un bon portrait de ce qui se 9 passe dans notre communauté mais aussi un bon portrait 10 national et même international. L'accent est cependant 11 sur les activités locales et régionales car c'est ce 12 qui touche de près les gens. 13 210 C'est ce sentiment d'identité qui 14 nous démarque des radios anglophones où on peut 15 entendre les mêmes nouvelles en anglais, mais le simple 16 fait de ne pas parler des gens de chez nous diminue le 17 lien entre notre vie comme francophone et l'histoire 18 racontée. 19 211 En ce qui a trait à la télévision de 20 Radio-Canada, la télévision joue aussi un rôle 21 important dans le développement de notre communauté, 22 qu'il s'agisse du bulletin de nouvelles quotidien de 23 "Ce Soir" ou les émissions spéciales telles la "Télé 24 relais" qui est produit et diffusé en direct lors du 25 Festival du Voyageur. Ce type de production locale StenoTran 44 1 permet de faire connaître le visage de notre 2 communauté. 3 212 De plus, Radio-Canada, depuis environ 4 cinq ans, nous offre un produit qui fait connaître tous 5 les Canadiens et Canadiennes d'expression française, et 6 ce, par le Réseau de l'information. À tous les jours, 7 RDI produit des émissions provenant de chaque région du 8 Canada et ces émissions nous permettent de mieux 9 connaître les gens d'un peu partout au Canada. 10 213 De plus, des émissions telles 11 "L'accent francophone" font en sorte que l'ensemble de 12 la francophonie se rejoignent et connaissent un peu 13 mieux les réalités de chacune de nos communautés 14 francophones. 15 214 Malgré le fait que le Réseau de 16 l'information nous offre un produit de grande qualité, 17 il reste que plusieurs francophones vivant à 18 l'extérieur de la ville de Winnipeg et qui ne sont pas 19 câblés ne reçoivent pas le RDI. Aussi, certains de 20 ceux qui sont branchés au câble ne sont pas 21 nécessairement abonnés à un câblodistributeur pouvant 22 émettre le signal. 23 215 Sur ce point, nous considérons que la 24 Société Radio-Canada, qui n'avait pas demandé que la 25 diffusion du RDI soit obligatoire d'un océan à l'autre, StenoTran 45 1 et le CRTC, qui ne l'a pas imposé dans l'octroi de sa 2 licence, ont tous deux à revoir cette décision. 3 216 Nous considérons que le Canada est un 4 pays bilingue d'un océan à l'autre. Nous estimons 5 qu'avec le nombre de francophones vivant à l'extérieur 6 du Québec et qu'avec une population grandissante de 7 diplômés d'écoles d'immersion qu'il est essentiel 8 d'offrir des produits de Radio-Canada d'un océan à 9 l'autre. 10 217 La SRC, financée par le gouvernement 11 fédéral, a un mandat tout à fait spécifique et direct 12 qui touche les valeurs fondamentales du Canada. 13 Rappelons que l'une de ces valeurs est que le Canada a 14 deux langues officielles. 15 218 Cette valeur doit dépasser les 16 considérations financières. Cette valeur doit aussi 17 dépasser la bonne volonté de certains 18 câblodistributeurs. Le CRTC doit considérer les 19 valeurs fondamentales canadiennes lorsqu'il prend des 20 décisions sur la diffusion des produits. 21 219 La Société Radio-Canada a un rôle 22 très particulier vis-à-vis nos communautés et une place 23 très particulière dans l'immensité du monde de la 24 radiodiffusion. Nous voulons que la Société 25 Radio-Canada soit un véritable produit canadien conçu StenoTran 46 1 pour les Canadiens et Canadiennes et par les Canadiens 2 et Canadiennes. 3 220 Il doit y avoir un contenu 4 pan-canadien produit par des gens provenant des 5 communautés locales et régionales car la voix d'un 6 francophone de l'ouest, malgré certaines similarités, 7 est différente de la voix du francophone du Québec ou 8 du Nouveau-Brunswick. Nous avons tous un message 9 unique à livrer même si nous partageons la langue et la 10 culture française. 11 221 Il est aussi important de noter que 12 Radio-Canada doit jouer un rôle très important pour 13 appuyer les producteurs locaux qui font du travail de 14 qualité et qui souvent cherchent des partenaires avec 15 qui ils peuvent développer des projets ou à qui ils 16 peuvent vendre leurs produits. 17 222 Dans un monde de plus de 200 canaux, 18 la Société Radio-Canada et le CBC doivent se démarquer 19 de façon très spécifique pour y trouver leur place. 20 Qu'il s'agisse de nouvelles demandes qui ont été 21 avancées par la Société Radio-Canada telles InfoRadio, 22 le Réseau de la Culture, le Réseau des Arts, le Réseau 23 de l'Économie, et j'en passe, ce sont tous des produits 24 qui doivent refléter l'ensemble des communautés. Pour 25 bien répondre à son mandat pan-canadien, la SRC doit StenoTran 47 1 s'assurer que ses produits valorisent l'expertise 2 locale. 3 223 Depuis quelques années, nous avons 4 remarqué, surtout au niveau local, des changements au 5 niveau du produit de la Société Radio-Canada. Résultat 6 immédiat des coupures: nous avons beaucoup moins de 7 productions locales et beaucoup moins de productions 8 culturelles. 9 224 Les possibilités de développement de 10 produits locaux sont maintenant limitées. Il est 11 essentiel de contrer cette tendance et d'augmenter le 12 nombre d'heures de productions locales. Nous devons 13 aussi être diffusé de façon plus régulière à l'échelle 14 du pays, et ce, en plus du RDI. 15 225 Nous convenons que beaucoup plus de 16 produits viennent et viendront toujours du Québec. 17 D'ailleurs, la qualité des produits en provenance du 18 Québec est très impressionnante et nous ne voulons 19 certainement pas laisser l'impression que nous sommes 20 insatisfaits avec le produit. 21 226 Cependant, nous cherchons une plus 22 grande voix à l'intérieur des produits de Radio-Canada. 23 Le CRTC peut certainement jouer un rôle en demandant à 24 la Société Radio-Canada d'accentuer la production et la 25 diffusion d'émissions provenant des différentes régions StenoTran 48 1 du pays. 2 227 Ici, au Manitoba, nous avons une 3 histoire très riche et une communauté qui a la capacité 4 de contribuer à l'essor de la Société Radio-Canada. 5 Que ce soit au niveau de la production, au niveau 6 artistique, au niveau des émissions d'information, nous 7 avons développé des équipes solides et des produits de 8 qualité dignes d'exportation à l'échelle du pays. 9 228 Néanmoins, nous avons soif de 10 découvrir et d'apprendre et nous bénéficions des 11 produits venant d'autres communautés francophones à 12 l'extérieur du Québec. Le RDI a fait des pas dans 13 cette direction et continue à y jouer un rôle important 14 mais il doit toujours accentuer la diffusion de 15 produits locaux. 16 229 Nous croyons que la licence de 17 Radio-Canada doit être flexible pour permettre au 18 Réseau de l'information et à la Première chaîne de 19 faire des échanges sans que l'un ou l'autre soit 20 pénalisé. Il est important que les échanges de 21 produits entre la Première chaîne et les chaînes 22 spécialisées, de même que les partenaires avec les 23 autres postes tels TV5, soient souples et dans le 24 meilleur intérêt du consommateur. 25 230 J'aimerais terminer en vous disant StenoTran 49 1 que nous considérons que la Société Radio-Canada a un 2 mandat précis en ce qui a trait au reflet des valeurs 3 canadiennes. La Société Radio-Canada doit recevoir un 4 financement adéquat pour refléter ces valeurs et pour 5 promouvoir les richesses qui existent partout au 6 Canada. 7 231 La Société Radio-Canada doit se 8 développer de façon innovatrice tout en respectant sa 9 concurrence privée. Avec ces lignes directrices en 10 tête, la SRC sera assez forte pour contrer les 11 influences nord-américaines. 12 232 Merci beaucoup. 13 233 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Nous vous remercions, 14 Monsieur Boucher. 15 234 Monsieur Krushen. 16 1400 17 235 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, Madam Wylie. 18 236 J'appelle maintenant Mme Mona Audet. 19 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 20 237 MME AUDET: Bonjour, Monsieur. 21 Bonjour, Madame. 22 238 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Bonjour, 23 Madame Audet. 24 239 MME AUDET: Il me fait plaisir au nom 25 des membres du conseil d'administration et du personnel StenoTran 50 1 de Pluri-Elles Manitoba Inc. de vous adresser la parole 2 cet après-midi. 3 240 Permettez-moi d'abord d'expliquer qui 4 nous sommes. Pluri-Elles est un centre de femmes qui 5 travaillent auprès des femmes francophones du Manitoba 6 depuis 1982. Pluri-Elles dessert les femmes vivant en 7 régions rurales et urbaines et offre des services 8 d'information et d'aiguillage, d'accompagnement, de 9 counselling et d'orientation. 10 241 En plus de ces services, plusieurs 11 programmes ont déjà été développés et offerts aux 12 femmes, tel qu'un programme de promotion de la santé et 13 un programme de réintégration sur le marché du travail. 14 242 En plus des dossiers spécifiques à la 15 clientèle féminine, Pluri-Elles travaille dans les 16 programmes d'alphabétisation, de refrancisation et de 17 francisation, ainsi que le service d'aide à l'emploi, 18 qui sont offerts aux hommes et aux femmes. 19 243 Le programme "Pour de meilleures 20 relations" est un programme qui vise directement les 21 adolescents et les adolescentes qui risquent de devenir 22 parents ou qui le sont déjà. 23 244 En tant qu'organisme provincial, 24 Pluri-Elles croit important de travailler étroitement 25 avec les médias francophones afin de sensibiliser notre StenoTran 51 1 communauté. La Société Radio-Canada, tout 2 particulièrement CBWFT et CKSV, travaille étroitement 3 avec nous depuis plusieurs années. 4 245 En 1994, Radio-Canada a été 5 partenaire avec Pluri-Elles dans la production d'une 6 vidéo intitulée "Se prendre en main". Ce projet, 7 financé en partie par Santé Canada, nous a permis de 8 sensibiliser les femmes de 50 ans et plus sur la 9 préparation de la retraite, à la violence chez la femme 10 et la ménopause. La vidéo a été distribuée à travers 11 les groupes de femmes au niveau pan-canadien. 12 246 Encore cette année, grâce à une 13 subvention de Santé Canada et un partenariat avec le 14 Festival des vidéastes, Radio-Canada a été 15 collaborateur technique dans notre nouvelle production, 16 "Félicitations, I guess", un documentaire touchant la 17 grossesse chez les adolescentes et adolescents. Le 18 lancement de cette vidéo aura lieu bientôt. 19 247 De plus, la contribution de la 20 Société Radio-Canada est importante pour nous 21 francophones du Manitoba. Tant à la radio qu'à la 22 télévision, les journalistes sont à l'écoute des 23 besoins et réalités francophones. Nous pouvons 24 toujours compter sur la SRC pour parler de nos 25 activités, nos réalités, nos besoins, tant dans le StenoTran 52 1 domaine d'éducation, d'économie, de santé, de services 2 sociaux, culturels, et j'en passe. 3 248 Cependant, il est aussi important que 4 des émissions provenant de chez nous soient aussi à 5 l'antenne afin de garder la culture francophone vivante 6 dans l'ouest et le nord canadien. Les émissions venant 7 de l'est du pays sont toujours très intéressantes mais 8 nous sommes encore plus ravis lorsque les émissions 9 sont tournées chez nous avec notre contenu. 10 249 Nous croyons fermement que la Société 11 Radio-Canada doit continuer à être un partenaire dans 12 la communauté, tant dans la diffusion des nouvelles 13 locales, nationales et internationales, que partenaire 14 dans le développement de productions francophones du 15 Manitoba. 16 250 En terminant, nous espérons de voir 17 la continuité du service en français de la Société 18 Radio-Canada tant à la radio qu'à la télévision. 19 251 Je vous remercie beaucoup. 20 252 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Nous vous remercions, 21 Madame Audet. 22 253 Monsieur Krushen. 23 1404 24 254 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 25 Commissioner Wylie. StenoTran 53 1 255 I would now like to call 2 Ms Evelyn Downey. 3 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 4 256 MS DOWNEY: Can you hear me? 5 257 I am making this presentation as a 6 concerned and interested individual, a long-time 7 listener of CBC, in fact, the roots go back I guess to 8 the second world war and listening to Matthew 9 Holten(ph), that's my father, tuning into a radio. It 10 was a lifesaver during the time that I was raising my 11 own children. 12 258 I preface my remarks by saying that 13 they are connected mainly with radio, both CBC One 14 and Two, as I seldom watch television. The two 15 programs that I watch regularly are on PBS. 16 259 I recently attempted to watch a 17 special program produced by our native community on 18 CBC TV and I was so frustrated with all of the 19 advertising I gave up. I have tried other times and it 20 has been the same thing, so I find the amount of 21 advertising is anathema. 22 260 Secondly, and maybe most important is 23 my deep concern about the cost-cutting measures that 24 are and have for some time been visited on CBC. I 25 perceive this as being due to a current economic and StenoTran 54 1 political climate in this country. When I voted for 2 the Liberals I voted for a change in the economic 3 principles enunciated by Milton Freedman and the 4 Chicago School of Economics that dominated the policies 5 of the previous Conservative government, and much to my 6 chagrin they continue under the present government. 7 That these policies are destroying the country can be 8 seen all around us from the gutting of the CBC to the 9 horrors that are occurring in our cities. 10 261 Thirdly, the present push to 11 privatize the CBC is of very deep concern to me. I 12 seldom listen to other stations, but I did so at the 13 beginning of the current technicians' strike. I was 14 aghast to hear the diatribe against the CBC in general 15 and against the striking technicians in particular. 16 The whole tenor of the program, both from the host of 17 the program and for many of those who called in, 18 reminded me of what might have been heard in pre-war 19 Nazi Germany. 20 262 The host of the show was against 21 unions, pinkos and communists ad nauseam. He was 22 forcefully stating that the private stations could take 23 over any programs that the CBC does and do them equally 24 well. It is axiomatic that the bottom line of business 25 is profit, or so I have been informed by people StenoTran 55 1 knowledgeable in the business world. 2 263 It is my understanding that a man by 3 the name of Tom d'Aquino is a focal person pushing the 4 present government with governmental policies. I would 5 like to hear from him and I think it would be of great 6 interest to have him interviewed on CBC. 7 264 Fourthly, I am deeply concerned about 8 the scaling back of our foreign news bureaus. It is 9 extremely important that we have a balanced news 10 coverage. 11 265 Fifthly, I cannot comment on the 12 issues of the technicians' strike and a threatened 13 strike by the reporters, editors, producers and 14 anchors. These issues I understand have to do with 15 wages, job description and workloads. We have had 16 insufficient information on which to base any informed 17 comment on this issue and I'm concerned that the CBC 18 has not done something about that. 19 266 Sixthly, with regard to the issue of 20 reliance on commercials on TV, they are one of the 21 reasons that I seldom watch TV, and I do hope that 22 commercials will not be allowed on CBC radio. Surely, 23 there must be a right for people not to have to be 24 bombarded by commercials. 25 267 Seventh, the issue of the StenoTran 56 1 arm's-length relationship of the Crown Corporation from 2 the government and from political pressures to me is 3 highly important for the objectivity of the news that 4 we receive. If we wish to preserve democracy, we need 5 to be wary of any form of dictatorship. 6 268 Eighth, the need for stable 7 year-to-year funding for CBC is vital to maintain the 8 integrity of our public broadcasting system. 9 269 Ninth, CBC programming is the envy of 10 our neighbours to the south. One only needs to tune 11 into the radio to hear the number of listeners that 12 tune in to CBC from all areas of the states, north, 13 south and from states as far away as California. I 14 personally visited a number of areas in the United 15 States and have been unable to tune into anything but 16 pap. 17 270 With regard to the issues to be 18 addressed directly -- the role of the CBC. 19 271 Firstly, our public services are 20 under assault in this climate of globalization. I see 21 CBC as being the preeminent national institution for 22 maintaining our Canadian identity and to keep the 23 electorate informed on both national and local issues. 24 Without an informed citizenry democracy is lost. 25 272 I would refer, for example, to the StenoTran 57 1 Massey Lecture Series and in particular to the writings 2 of one of our Canadian scholars, John Ralston Saul. I 3 think it is crucial that this type of programming 4 continue. 5 273 As far as the programming is 6 concerned, I would like to request a continuation of 7 such programs as Ideas with Lister Sinclair, Writers 8 and Company with Eleanor Wachtel(ph), Quirks and 9 Quarks, The House, This Morning, As It Happens, and The 10 Royal Canadian Air Farce, and of course the regular 11 news. 12 274 I sorrily miss the depth and breadth 13 of Peter Gzowski, of the gutting of CBC Sunday Morning, 14 and my Sunday morning church service with 15 Clyde Gilmor(ph). 16 275 I enjoy The Opera and programs The 17 Classical Vote(ph) and Music from All Parts of the 18 World. I must say I intensely dislike much of the 19 modern popular music and see it intruding more and 20 more. I would like to see CBC balance this type of 21 music especially, for example, on Saturday evenings 22 between CBC One and Two, so that people might have a 23 choice. Teenagers are not the only ones who at times 24 stay in on a Saturday evening. 25 276 I have just once tuned into the StenoTran 58 1 overseas broadcast after twelve o'clock in the 2 evening -- during the night and I was just wondering if 3 it might be possible to hear more of that during the 4 day when those of us that have normal hours could 5 perhaps listen to it. 6 277 I think it is vitally important that 7 we have more coverage on the current crisis in -- and 8 here I am talking about in-depth coverage -- on the 9 current health care crisis and on the breakdown that is 10 occurring in our society. I think we see it 11 drastically occurring in our core area in Winnipeg and 12 I think there needs to be an in-depth examination of 13 what is producing this type of breakdown and an 14 encouragement of programs to try to do something about 15 it. 16 278 As far as the direction, further 17 direction as far as the CBC, I really can't comment 18 further other than to say that to retain a functional 19 and vibrant democracy, I see CBC as being crucially 20 important. 21 279 That is the end of my presentation. 22 I would like to thank you for holding the consultations 23 with the public. I think it is very important and to 24 thank you for hearing me. 25 280 THE CHAIRPERSON: We thank you, StenoTran 59 1 Ms Downey. 2 281 This will conclude the presentations 3 of the first group of registrants. 4 282 We will take a 15-minute break and 5 resume with the next group. 6 283 Alors, nous reviendrons dans 15 7 minutes. Maintenant, je vous rappelle à tous qu'il y 8 aura une transcription d'un procès-verbal de ce qui se 9 passe aujourd'hui qui fera partie du dossier public du 10 renouvellement. 11 284 I remind you all that your 12 presentations have been transcribed and will become 13 part of the renewal file. 14 285 We thank you very much for taking the 15 time to come and see us. 16 --- Short recess at 1412 / Courte suspension à 1412 17 --- Upon resuming at 1432 / Reprise à 1432 18 286 LA PRÉSIDENTE: À l'ordre, s'il vous 19 plaît. Order please. 20 287 Mr. Krushen, would you please call 21 the next group of presenters. 22 288 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 23 Commissioner Wylie. 24 289 At this point I will call all of the 25 remaining registered presenters. If you would please StenoTran 60 1 come up to the table: Mr. Kevin Miller; René Piché; 2 Anna Sudletsky; Alex Gardiner; Pat Carrabre; Richard 3 Horne; Raymond Theberge; Leo Robert; Mariette Mulaire; 4 Eric Pownall; Len Soltis; Frank Lawson; Bernice 5 Baldwin; Margaret Waterman; and Roberta Christianson. 6 --- Short pause / Courte pause 7 290 THE CHAIRPERSON: We welcome you all. 8 Bienvenue à tous. 9 291 Mr. Krushen, please. 10 292 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 11 Commissioner Wylie. 12 293 I don't believe Mr. Miller is here. 13 294 Mr. Kevin Miller, are you at the 14 table? No. 15 295 Maintenant, j'appelle René Piché. 16 296 Monsieur Piché. 17 1435 18 297 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Bonjour, 19 Monsieur Piché. Oui, c'est ça, vous avez besoin de 20 votre micro. 21 298 M. PICHÉ: Je parle très fort mais... 22 299 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Il s'agit de faire la 23 transcription et l'interprétation. Allez-y. 24 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 25 300 M. PICHÉ: J'aimerais tout d'abord StenoTran 61 1 vous remercier de nous offrir l'occasion d'exprimer nos 2 propos sur l'importance qu'a la Société Radio-Canada 3 pour la collectivité francophone du Manitoba. 4 301 Je m'appelle René Piché. Je suis 5 Président fondateur de la Société des communications du 6 Manitoba et m'accompagnent M. Alain Boucher, Directeur 7 général du Centre culturel franco-manitobain ainsi que 8 Guy Noël, Directeur de l'Ensemble folklorique de la 9 Rivière Rouge. 10 302 Cette présentation est faite aussi au 11 nom du Cercle Molière, la plus ancienne troupe de 12 théâtre du Canada français et du Festival du Voyageur, 13 la fête d'hiver la plus importante de l'ouest canadien. 14 303 La Société Radio-Canada est depuis 15 l'extension pan-canadienne de son réseau de 16 télécommunications, à titre de société d'état et de par 17 son mandat, l'allié naturel des communautés 18 minoritaires de langue officielle française. 19 304 Bien que nous accueillons volontiers 20 d'autres chaînes télévisuelles indépendantes de langue 21 française sur la scène nationale, nos communautés 22 mettent toujours leurs espoirs dans cette société 23 d'état qui a comme mandat de présenter aux autres 24 Canadiens et Canadiennes leur réalité sur les ondes et 25 à l'écran ainsi que de les informer sur les événements StenoTran 62 1 pertinents dans leur propre localité. 2 305 De fait, Radio-Canada est à plusieurs 3 égards, la radio particulièrement, un intervenant 4 socio-culturel actif au Manitoba français grâce à ses 5 émissions locales réalisées avec des talents d'ici, 6 émissions qui ont été exportées avec succès dans 7 d'autres coins du pays. 8 306 Un an environ avant l'annonce des 9 réductions budgétaires imposées par le gouvernement 10 fédéral, le CRTC avait répondu positivement à une 11 demande conjointe et très remarqué des communautés 12 francophones de l'ouest canadien en exigeant comme 13 condition de renouvellement des licences que la Société 14 Radio-Canada accorde une plus grande place à la 15 production régionale. 16 307 Cette dernière, après consultations 17 intenses à la grandeur du pays, avait développé un plan 18 pluriannuel imposant qui avait su satisfaire les 19 demandes. Malheureusement, sauf pour la radio, ces 20 plans restèrent sur les tablettes de Radio-Canada dès 21 que les restrictions furent imposées. Des émissions 22 disparurent et même les émissions d'information 23 subirent des changements. 24 308 Certes, la création de RDI a permis 25 la production d'une émission de nouvelles et StenoTran 63 1 d'information quotidiennes importante sur les réalités 2 pertinentes de la francophonie de l'ouest. 3 Malheureusement, peu de gens d'ici la regardent 4 puisqu'elle est diffusée l'après-midi. 5 309 Avec les réductions budgétaires, nous 6 avons perdu à la télévision la majorité de nos 7 émissions artistiques et culturelles et bien que nous 8 accueillons avec empressement la proposition de créer 9 de nouvelles chaînes spécialisées à visée culturelle, 10 économique et historique, nous voulons que la chaîne 11 générale fasse une plus grande place à nos productions 12 afin qu'une population canadienne plus large puisse 13 être exposée à nos réalités et à notre vision des 14 choses. 15 310 La Société Radio-Canada, 16 particulièrement la télévision, doit encourager 17 davantage la production locale ou régionale dans toutes 18 les régions du pays pour améliorer la pertinence de son 19 contenu canadien afin que celui-ci soit un vrai reflet 20 du Canada et non seulement de Montréal. 21 311 Les francophones du Manitoba ne 22 veulent pas seulement être des auditeurs de 23 Radio-Canada mais ils veulent y participer en tant que 24 créateurs et producteurs. 25 312 Il est vrai que les réductions StenoTran 64 1 budgétaires gouvernementales des dernières années ont 2 motivé la Société Radio-Canada à s'allier avec des 3 producteurs indépendants de diverses régions du Canada 4 pour créer un contenu qui reflète mieux la réalité 5 canadienne. 6 313 Une entente signée entre la Société 7 des communications du Manitoba et la Société 8 Radio-Canada permet à nos producteurs d'accéder à des 9 licences de diffusion et, par le fait même, d'accéder 10 aux investisseurs tels Téléfilm Canada et le fonds des 11 câblodistributeurs, mettant par le fait même nos 12 producteurs sur un même pied d'égalité que les autres 13 au Canada. 14 314 Nous pensons par contre que la 15 Société Radio-Canada devrait manifester plus de 16 générosité financière et travailler de très près avec 17 les producteurs francophones du Manitoba et de l'ouest 18 afin de planifier avec eux une production accrue de 19 contenu spécifique et diversifié sur une base 20 pluriannuelle. La création de chaînes spécialisées 21 rendrait ceci impératif. 22 315 Nous croyons aussi que la Société 23 doit donner plus de discrétion d'ordre décisionnel 24 qu'elle ne le fait aux directeurs régionaux. De même, 25 elle devrait cesser de penser que des fonds alloués StenoTran 65 1 pour la production régionale, et ceci va aussi bien 2 pour les régions du Québec, porte préjudice aux 3 producteurs de la métropole montréalaise. 4 316 Sachez qu'au cours des quatre 5 prochaines années, la Société des communications aura 6 consacré 1 265 million à la formation et au 7 perfectionnement professionnel des équipes de 8 production francophones de l'ouest afin d'assurer la 9 qualité des productions locales et régionales. 10 317 Nous souhaitons que les responsables 11 du Réseau à Montréal cessent de caser les producteurs 12 hors Québec dans le cadre, pour ne pas dire le carcan, 13 de l'identité culturelle minoritaire. Ils sont 14 capables aussi de tourner des reportages ou de réaliser 15 des émissions sur des thèmes universels. 16 318 À l'heure actuelle, deux consortiums 17 de producteurs sont activement engagés dans des 18 productions. Un partenariat entre trois producteurs 19 hors Québec en provenance de l'Acadie, de l'Ontario et 20 du Manitoba participe à la création de neuf 21 documentaires dans un cadre de premières oeuvres. Un 22 autre partenariat entre ces mêmes producteurs et deux 23 autres du Québec ont débuté le processus de fabrication 24 de documentaires d'une heure sur la francophonie 25 canadienne. StenoTran 66 1 319 Quant à la radio française de 2 Radio-Canada, permettez-nous d'abord de vous dire 3 comment nous apprécions le travail de notre station 4 CKSV, qui se fait remarquer au niveau national pour ses 5 initiatives heureuses. Au-delà des actualités toujours 6 très appréciées et bien présentées, cette équipe 7 participe vraiment au développement de la communauté. 8 320 Au niveau culturel, CKSV est un 9 partenaire important et réclame plusieurs initiatives. 10 Nous n'avons qu'à penser à son implication en tant que 11 partenaire dans la série "En Éclosion", au Gala 12 manitobain de la chanson, au Festival du Voyageur, au 13 Salon du livre français, aux productions de séries 14 d'émissions telles "Les petites oreilles" et "Contes du 15 monde" et j'en passe. 16 321 Toutes ces activités auxquelles 17 participe CKSV sont des occasions de développement et 18 de formation pour nos artistes. Cette participation au 19 niveau de la communauté permet une diffusion du produit 20 culturel franco-manitobain et parfois, mais pas encore 21 assez souvent, au régional et au national. 22 322 Nous désirons une diffusion qui 23 dépasse les frontières du Manitoba pour nous faire 24 connaître partout au pays. L'avènement de la 25 numérisation des nouvelles technologies va permettre StenoTran 67 1 d'autres collaborations. Déjà, CKSV et le Collège 2 universitaire de St. Boniface collaborent dans un 3 projet de cours de maîtrise en études canadiennes. 4 CKSV va produire deux séries d'émissions à contenu 5 historique qui serviront d'appui à ce cours tout en 6 étant l'objet d'une radiodiffusion. 7 323 Nous apprécions la création du fonds 8 national MicroRadio pour la production de contenu et 9 l'apprentissage de la langue par les jeunes. De plus, 10 CKSV va créer un CD-ROM à visée éducative qui va 11 l'ancrer davantage dans le milieu de la jeunesse. Son 12 site internet, réalisé par la Société Oniric et Les 13 jeunes entrepreneurs francophones du Manitoba fait sa 14 gloire au sein de la Société. 15 324 Enfin, permettez-nous de réitérer 16 notre appui à la Société Radio-Canada que nous croyons 17 être un outil essentiel au développement de nos 18 communautés. 19 325 Grâce à une diffusion accrue de nos 20 productions et de nos réalités au niveau national ainsi 21 qu'à une collaboration plus intensive et systématique 22 avec nos producteurs indépendants, nous sommes 23 confiants que la Société Radio-Canada répondra de plus 24 en plus aux besoins de la population canadienne de 25 langue officielle française. StenoTran 68 1 326 Merci de nous avoir entendu. 2 327 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Nous vous remercions, 3 Monsieur Piché, et saluez M. Boucher pour nous. 4 328 M. PICHÉ: Merci. 5 329 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Monsieur Krushen. 6 1445 7 330 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, Madam Wylie. 8 331 Is Ms Anna Sudletsky with us? 9 Ms Sudletsky, please. 10 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 11 332 MS SUDLETSKY: Good afternoon, 12 Madam Wylie. 13 333 I speak primarily as a listener and a 14 fan of CBC radio although I feel some of my comments 15 apply to the TV as well. 16 334 The CBC's role as a national public 17 broadcaster should continue into the new millennium as 18 it has in the past been our Canadian voice promoting 19 Canadian artists and giving every Canadian the 20 opportunity to hear and see them. 21 335 The CBC reaches out regionally by 22 producing programs across Canada. Although my 23 favourite program may originate in Vancouver, I like 24 the fact that talented, knowledgeable people can work 25 in their field in Winnipeg as part of the voice of StenoTran 69 1 Canada. 2 336 The programming provided by the CBC 3 should be different from other broadcasters. It should 4 continue offering Canadians quality non-commercialized 5 programs promoting Canadian arts and artists presented 6 to us by skilled, talented broadcasters who in the past 7 have become revered household names such as 8 Foster Hewitt, Clyde Gilmor, Peter Gzowski, and 9 continued in the present by Shelagh Rogers, Stuart 10 MacLean(ph), Jurgen Goth(ph), Micheal Enright(ph), and 11 Avril Benoit(ph). 12 337 This national treasure should be 13 nurtured and preserved for the next generation when 14 they recognize this is our voice, it speaks to us and 15 for us as Canadians, or we may just wake up one day and 16 realize what we are listening to is the voice of 17 America. 18 338 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 19 Ms Sudletsky. 20 339 Mr. Krushen. 21 1448 22 340 MR. KRUSHEN: I would now like to 23 call Mr. Alex Gardiner. 24 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 25 341 MR. GARDINER: Thank you very much StenoTran 70 1 and thank you for this opportunity to speak to the 2 CRTC. 3 342 In my day-to-day life I'm the General 4 Manager of the National Sports Centre Manitoba. We are 5 a relatively new organization that supports Manitoba's 6 best athletes and coaches in their preparation for 7 national/international competition. We are part of a 8 network of seven national centres across the country 9 who are all designed to do the same thing, to help 10 Canadians, young Canadians, athletes compete with the 11 best in the world. 12 343 Although my focus today will be on 13 what we term amateur sport, I would like to begin with 14 some general comments about the CBC as a private 15 citizen. 16 344 How well does the CBC fulfil its role 17 as the national public broadcaster? I asked myself the 18 question: Why do I turn on CBC radio every morning in 19 my car and why do I watch the Late Night News on CBC 20 and why do I, whenever I do turn on television, tend to 21 drift towards Channel 2? Where else do you find the 22 diversity of programming? 23 345 I remember very fondly driving 24 through the Ontario countryside one summer and 25 listening to a story on CBC radio about a rural Alberta StenoTran 71 1 surgeon who also happened to suffer from Tourette's 2 Syndrome and how he got on with his life, and then that 3 same evening I was able to watch This Hour Has 22 4 Minutes and some wonderful sport programming as well. 5 Not only are they diverse, they are timely and they are 6 thorough and they are creative in most of the work that 7 they do. 8 346 Should the programming provided by 9 CBC Radio and television be different? 10 347 Yes, I think it should be. I think 11 we need to tell as many Canadian stories as we can and 12 I think we need to present the Canadian perspective on 13 global issues. 14 348 A special role for CBC is they 15 continue to strive and be supported as leaders in 16 broadcasting, not just in Canada but throughout the 17 world. They need to be encouraged as innovators and 18 risk takers and they need to be supported as they 19 achieve an excellence that they are recognized for. 20 349 I want to speak very, very briefly 21 about sport and amateur sport. I will leave Hockey 22 Night in Canada alone, although I do enjoy exploring it 23 for Ron MacLean's puns, two broadcasts on a Saturday 24 seem to be too much for most people. 25 350 Amateur sport tells stories that StenoTran 72 1 bring communities together in the most compelling of 2 ways. As an illustration, I had the great fortune of 3 being in Atlanta at the 1996 Olympics. At that point, 4 I was working for Athletics Canada Track and Field 5 Association, and people envied me that I had a position 6 on the finish line, at Donovan Bailey's wonderful 7 100-metre victory and the men's relay victory. 8 351 It certainly was tremendous, but my 9 first thought was: Where is the replay; where is the 10 commentary; where is the in-depth profiles that CBC 11 provides? I was at loss without that. When I got back 12 to Ottawa, where I was living at the time, I asked 13 people what they were doing on that day. They said, 14 "Well, we were out at our cottage, but the minute those 15 races were won there were parties that erupted and a 16 group of us went into a television store, we were 17 shopping in the mall." 18 352 What point I'm bringing out right now 19 is that stories like this are national and 20 international, however, they deliver strong messages 21 and they really certainly bind communities together. I 22 don't think there is any greater cultural glue than 23 great stories in sport. The CBC network does a 24 first-rate job in describing amateur sport. 25 353 I certainly urge the CBC to continue StenoTran 73 1 their excellence in amateur sport coverage and would 2 also urge them to increase their coverage of all sport 3 across the country. I'm a big fan as you can see and I 4 think they have done an absolutely wonderful job. 5 354 Thank you very much. 6 355 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 7 Mr. Gardiner. 8 356 Mr. Krushen. 9 1450 10 357 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 11 Commissioner Wylie. 12 358 I would now like to call 13 Mr. Pat Carrabre. 14 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 15 359 MR. CARRABRE: Thank you. 16 360 I'm here today with a variety of hats 17 on. I'm the Academic Vice-President at Brandon 18 University. I'm a composer. I have been an associate 19 composer with the Winnipeg Symphony for the last four 20 seasons. I'm currently Vice-President of the Canadian 21 League of Composers and I'm also an avid listener of 22 CBC. I have also been a guest host and commentator on 23 the corporation as well. 24 361 CBC is an important and vital part of 25 our Canadian culture. It's one of the most important StenoTran 74 1 venues for the dissemination of Canadian music, and I'm 2 speaking specifically about what is frequently called 3 concert music or classical music. It's part of an 4 infrastructure that supports a very diffuse culture 5 across this country that is not well co-ordinated 6 amongst the various partners. 7 362 There is the Canada Arts Council and 8 provincial arts councils, there are Canadian orchestras 9 and other professional performing organizations, there 10 are the universities that train musicians and the 11 conservatoire, there are individual performers and 12 composers and there is CBC and other broadcasters. 13 363 So how does the CBC fulfil its role? 14 It is the component that supports the making of music 15 and its dissemination across the country. It supports 16 access. It allows you, no matter what part of the 17 country you are in, to hear a wide variety of music 18 from the vast reaches of this country, and it's the 19 kind of music, in particular, on Radio Two that's not 20 supported by private broadcasters. It really does need 21 an investment from the federal government and from our 22 provincial governments and from all Canadians. 23 364 It also provides an infrastructure 24 that pays the salaries of musicians across this country 25 that help to make music on a daily basis, that help to StenoTran 75 1 teach young people how to play music, that help to 2 train audiences for the future. 3 365 This is a very exciting time in 4 Canadian music. It's a time when many of the 5 orchestras in Canada have decided, I think very wisely, 6 that their future and the vitality of music in Canada 7 requires that they enter into various kinds of 8 agreements and relationships with living composers. 9 You will find composer-in-residence programs now across 10 this country from Vancouver to Edmonton to Winnipeg to 11 Quebec City to Halifax, and that these 12 composer-in-residence programs are helping to 13 revitalize the audience for our orchestras in this 14 country. And certainly with the help of CBC, they have 15 been helping to revitalize the radio audience as well 16 for live music. 17 366 CBC, unfortunately, is not able 18 always to play the role that I think it would like to 19 play. There is a lot of creativity in the corporation, 20 but I certainly have seen the cuts myself, how they 21 have affected the people who work there and how they 22 have affected their ability to realize their vision for 23 the life of music in our country. 24 367 Just as a couple of examples, the 25 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is not able to pay StenoTran 76 1 the league rates that have been set by the Canadian 2 League of Composers when they do commission composers. 3 Frequently, that means that composers are asked to 4 write work at a rate that would not support their 5 livelihood in any way as professionals. This is 6 something that we very much need in this country. 7 368 We have come from a time when 8 composers have been marginalized to a time when they 9 are much more ready to meet their public and the public 10 wants to hear their work. All we have to do is look at 11 the New Music Festival here in Winnipeg to see up to 12 2,000 people a night over 10 days on their feet after 13 almost every piece, hungry to hear the work of their 14 living composers. 15 369 I think there are a number of other 16 things that have impacted on CBC, not the least of 17 which is the ever-growing demand from a new variety of 18 stakeholder groups that have come up in our country, 19 different ethnic music, world music, popular music that 20 now are asking the CBC to help them as well. 21 370 I think this is an excellent 22 development for our country. However, what it does 23 mean is that there is less air time for the traditional 24 stakeholder groups that have been supported by CBC. I 25 think this probably means in many ways that CBC needs StenoTran 77 1 to expand the number of minutes that it has for 2 broadcast that's available to this variety of groups. 3 371 Information that we have received 4 from CBC through the Canadian League of Composers is 5 that about 50 per cent of the music broadcast by CBC 6 would meet the Maple Code of content for Canadian 7 content. However, only 5 per cent of that repertoire 8 is actually written by Canadian composers. I think 9 this is a serious concern for the long-term health of 10 creativity and the creation of music in Canada. I 11 think it's excellent that the Canadian performers are 12 supported to that level by CBC, but I think it is a 13 tragedy that we aren't able to do the same for our 14 composers. 15 372 I think that 30 years of investment 16 in private broadcasting and the Maple Code has ensured 17 that Canadian artists are at the top of the world 18 charts in popular music. I think that if we had the 19 same kind of support for Canadian composers in 20 classical music or concert music that within a period 21 of time that's not that long we would be able to have 22 the same kind of recognition on an international level. 23 373 The regional and national components 24 of CBC are quite important. I can speak from personal 25 experience. When I first came back to Canada after StenoTran 78 1 studying abroad in the mid-eighties I was able to go in 2 to CBC and speak directly with a producer and I was 3 fortunate enough to have my work broadcast. That work 4 from that first concert of mine later went on to be 5 recorded on CD and nominated for a Juno award. 6 374 I think that the infrastructure in 7 Canada can work, however, the cutbacks at CBC has made 8 it that much more difficult for the producers at CBC to 9 know the artists in their region and to have those 10 artists move up through the ranks so that they can be 11 recognized at the national level. 12 375 I think there are a lot of partners 13 at play in this. I think that the Canadian orchestras 14 are now taking a much more active role in developing 15 artists across this country, as are all Canadian 16 performers. They are taking a much more proactive role 17 and I think that CBC would like to take a more 18 proactive role, but I think that the current situation 19 that they face in terms of the infrastructure within 20 the corporation make it very difficult for them to 21 realize that objective. 22 376 So I think that it's really vital for 23 us to work together with the infrastructure and with 24 our public policy in this country so that we can 25 cultivate the talent that we do have because our brain StenoTran 79 1 drain is not necessarily to the United States in 2 classical music; our brain drain is that people 3 eventually get tired of living on the margin 4 financially and they eventually go to other means of 5 subsidizing their livelihood, which frequently means 6 that they cannot create as much work. 7 377 I think that a publicly funded 8 broadcaster like CBC must have a focus on the creation 9 of music by Canadian composers. I don't think it 10 matters what genre that's in. I think that the 11 corporation needs to spread its wings and support as 12 many Canadian creators as they can. I think that there 13 is a certain progression as that music moves into the 14 realm of financial viability on its own. 15 378 I think that concert music in this 16 country is very much alive. We should all be concerned 17 about it because the ongoing development of an audience 18 for a diverse kind of music such as classical music is 19 not that easy to support and it certainly requires an 20 investment on the part of our country. But I think 21 that if CBC was to take its mandate to a further degree 22 than it has and to, just as an example, say that a 23 target of 25 per cent of its broadcast should be work 24 directly created by Canadian musicians, not just 25 performers but composers as well, I think in a very StenoTran 80 1 short period of time we would all see the benefits of 2 this in an increased healthy infrastructure and in a 3 more diverse audience for the work of all musicians. 4 379 Thank you. 5 380 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 6 Mr. Carrabre. 7 381 Mr. Krushen. 8 382 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 9 Commissioner Wylie. 10 383 I understand that Raymond Theberge 11 has cancelled. 12 384 Maintenant, j'appelle M. Leo Robert. 13 385 Monsieur Robert? No. 14 386 Mme Mariette Mulaire? No. 15 387 I don't believe the next two are here 16 either: Mr. Eric Pownall or Mr. Len Soltis. 17 388 Now, Mr. Frank Lawson, please. 18 1458 19 389 THE CHAIRPERSON: Good afternoon, 20 Mr. Lawson. 21 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 22 390 MR. LAWSON: Hi. I don't represent 23 any particular interest group, but I hope I do 24 represent a few of the 30 million people in the 25 country. StenoTran 81 1 391 There is a well-known author by the 2 name of Scott Peck. I'm sure many of you will 3 recognize the name. He defined "religion" as being one 4 sense of worldliness, a sense of community, of 5 interconnectiveness and balance, fairness and openness. 6 392 I think if you study some of the 7 countries who have public broadcasting systems, I think 8 you will find a group of people who are indeed more 9 community minded, seem to be more interconnected with 10 those around them and the world, seem to be a little 11 more balanced in their views towards others and on any 12 subjects, just seem to be all around more open and more 13 fair. 14 393 If you have ever had the misfortune 15 of watching any extensive television down, say, in 16 Los Angeles, I think you will find just the opposite. 17 It is extremely insular and self-serving and a lot of 18 other adjectives that will properly describe it I 19 guess. 20 394 The point is that some of our 21 commercial radio has gone the way of the Americans. I 22 personally don't care for it. I think the CBC is the 23 anchor that prevents us from falling into that trap. I 24 think that if this country and its people and, in 25 particular, possibly the immigrants that are coming to StenoTran 82 1 this country in the millions now over the last couple 2 of decades, if they are to discover their real self, I 3 think in the deepest sense of that it is going to be 4 through the CBC and not commercial radio. 5 395 Last summer I believe it was the CRTC 6 imposed some more restrictions on Canadian content. It 7 just happens the following morning or thereabouts I met 8 a popular DJ in a restaurant which I frequent, and I 9 have known him for years gone by and brought up the 10 subject. He was indignant. He was hostile. He was 11 angry and he was extremely defensive. The bottom line 12 to basically his argument was: We don't need any 13 Canadian content. 14 396 You know, I got this in the mail. 15 I'm sure many others who live in Winnipeg here got it 16 in the mail in the last couple of days -- I'm not going 17 to mention the radio station, I don't think that's 18 material -- but it lists their schedule, their daily 19 schedule of programming. Out of 24 hours, 11 of it is 20 piped in, taped and rebroadcast American radio. With 21 this, I think if we didn't have some Canadian content 22 and the CBC, that ratio would be much higher, in my 23 view. 24 397 I even have to question where Canada 25 today would be without the asset of CBC over the years. StenoTran 83 1 Today we have newspapers that are owned by virtually a 2 few people. We have radio stations that are now in 3 conglomerates or groups. We have split-run magazines 4 which are an issue now in our free trade agreement. 5 These are all owned principally by a very, very few 6 number of people, and the CBC is owned by 30 million 7 people. This institution we call the CBC is our 8 broadcasting system. I don't think it's the CRTC's and 9 it's certainly not the politicians' and it isn't the 10 bureaucrats' and it's certainly not the large 11 corporations' or the multinationals'. 12 398 I'm here to say basically that it is 13 not for sale nor demolition. I guess I have to say, 14 too, that if I were Monsanto I would be really 15 concerned about public broadcasting in this world 16 because every time we find out about something devilish 17 that is going on, it's almost on every occasion through 18 a public broadcasting system. As a Canadian citizen, I 19 thank God for that because without it it's really quite 20 hard to imagine where we might be, what we might be 21 eating, and ingesting and so forth. 22 399 Anyway, I think, as a Canadian 23 politician, I think we should caution the parties. I 24 think we should caution the back room spin doctors, 25 because we are not going to tolerate this systematic StenoTran 84 1 demolition of the CBC. I think it has gone far enough 2 now that there are enough people who are really getting 3 angry and realize what we are really losing. 4 400 Now, democratic governments by 5 necessity require checks and balances. The CBC may 6 very well be the biggest check and balance that we have 7 in the country. 8 401 I give you an example of the Monnino 9 Inquiry. Would it exist while we sit here today if it 10 hadn't been for the journalistic investigative 11 resources of the CBC, and the courage, I might add? 12 Would we have known about two years of secret meetings 13 in Paris, France on the MAI if it had not -- which, by 14 the way, the Canadian government was a participant 15 in -- if it had not been for public broadcasting both 16 in Europe and in Canada? 17 402 So CBC is basically our newspaper, 18 our magazine, our radio and our TV broadcaster. We own 19 it. The politicians do not. The corporations nor the 20 bureaucrats do not own it. 21 403 I have here a list. I'm not going to 22 read it for the sake of time. But I have to tell you, 23 and I would like to tell every Canadian, if they get a 24 chance you should read the endless list of 25 commendations received by the CBC at various levels, StenoTran 85 1 regionally and nationally, from international bodies, 2 among our own people regionally and so forth. It is 3 astounding. It is absolutely astounding to realize the 4 quality of people we have, the creativity and 5 sensitivity and intelligence that we have at the CBC 6 who is doing this on our behalf. 7 404 I don't think I have to give you this 8 because I'm sure you will have access to it. I would 9 like, though, to ask the CRTC to add this to what 10 little presentation I may be adding here, that it be 11 considered. 12 405 I think we have reached a stage where 13 we have to now reinvest in the CBC. I think we have to 14 look at it for what it is. CBC TV is class, it's 15 educational, it's on the cutting edge of humour, hence, 16 how many writers and producers and directors have gone 17 south to help the Americans improve their gain. 18 406 You look at radio, Tapestry? Where 19 are you going to hear the program Tapestry in 20 commercial radio in this country? Cross Country 21 Checkup, the program ideas for those of you -- I mean, 22 The Massey Lectures. Where on earth are you going to 23 get it if you don't get it from CBC? 24 407 I think that public broadcasting 25 influences the way we think, how we think about StenoTran 86 1 ourselves and about the world around us. In the last 2 10 years I have seen the people who are the art of 3 deception slowly but surely dismantling what is really 4 owned by the people of Canada and I think it's about 5 time we stood up. 6 408 My intuition, that gut feeling, tells 7 me that something smells bad in the woodpile. I'm from 8 the country, and those of you from the country know 9 that usually when there is a smell in the woodpile it's 10 because there's a few skunks hidden in there. 11 409 Thank you. 12 410 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 13 Mr. Lawson. 14 411 You will leave this document with us? 15 412 MR. LAWSON: Pardon me? 16 413 THE CHAIRPERSON: You will leave the 17 list or the document that you would like appended to 18 your presentation with Mr. Krushen? 19 414 MR. LAWSON: Yes. My point was, 20 though, this is a trivial amount by comparison to the 21 total if you just took the last 10 or 15 years. What I 22 would like to do is -- if this is possible, I'm not 23 sure -- is to request the CRTC to obtain from CBC a 24 complete list of all the awards ever awarded to CBC at 25 every level and make it part of my presentation. StenoTran 87 1 415 Is that a fair request or not? 2 416 THE CHAIRPERSON: We will hear from 3 the CBC later and I'm sure they would be delighted. 4 417 MR. LAWSON: Okay. Thank you. 5 418 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 6 Mr. Lawson. 7 419 Mr. Krushen. 8 1510 9 420 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 10 Commissioner Wylie. 11 421 I must apologize to 12 Mr. Richard Horne, whose name I inadvertently skipped 13 over on the list. 14 422 Mr. Horne, may I now ask you to do 15 your presentation? 16 423 MR. HORNE: Thank you. 17 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 18 424 MR. HORNE: Hello. My name is 19 Richard Horne. I'm the Executive Director of the 20 Manitoba Motion Picture Industry's Association. 21 425 I'm very pleased to be here. I would 22 like to talk about the CBC's television rather than 23 radio, as a lot of the discussion has focused on. 24 426 The association supports actively the 25 concept of the public broadcaster. We believe that it StenoTran 88 1 is critical in order to maintain and to develop our 2 cultural identity as Canadians. 100 per cent Canadian 3 content in prime time is a good thing we believe and we 4 actively support that. 5 427 As a public broadcaster, CBC's 6 interests differ from other broadcasters because of its 7 role as a public broadcaster. I would like to refer 8 you back to your own Visions statement that says, and I 9 quote: 10 "CBC will lead the way in 11 providing relevant, reliable and 12 meaningful programming that 13 reflects the diversity of Canada 14 to Canadians and to the world. 15 Our services will be recognized 16 by Canadians as unique and 17 essential services that are not 18 offered by the private component 19 of the Canadian broadcast 20 system." (As read) 21 428 In short, the CBC should show 22 Manitoba to Canada, show Canada to Manitoba and show us 23 all to the world. Is this happening? 24 429 Well, locally, over the last few 25 years, CBC Manitoba television has worked very hard to StenoTran 89 1 develop relationships with the independent community 2 here in order to show Manitoba to Canada. They have 3 supported it through some development funding, some 4 regional broadcast licences and participation in 5 initiatives like Prairie Wave. These have all been 6 driven through the regional office of the CBC. 7 430 The public's support for the CBC has 8 also been obvious through their recent open house where 9 thousands of people came down to the CBC's offices in 10 Manitoba to come and take a look at what they consider 11 to be part of their heritage. This is the good news. 12 431 The bad news is this, though, that 13 these commitments are not a reflection of the national 14 broadcaster but are a reflection of the particular 15 ingenuities of the regional director. They do not 16 reflect what the corporation overall does. 17 432 The staff itself of the CBC on the 18 television end has been reduced by almost 50 per cent 19 over the last five years, and the cuts to the operating 20 budget have been likewise. The regional office itself 21 has little presence outside of the supper hour news 22 program and this already is being limited severely. 23 433 To my knowledge, there is no ongoing 24 financial commitment from the national office to the 25 regional offices. There is no air time outside of the StenoTran 90 1 news hour dedicated to the regions. Any air time that 2 the regional office wants to get has to be negotiated 3 through the national office. 4 434 As well, the abilities of the 5 regional office to participate in the ongoing 6 development of the independent production community in 7 Manitoba is also severely restricted. There is no 8 dedicated funding to broadcast licence or to 9 development funding. Given the CBC's ever-shrinking 10 budget, both nationally and especially regionally where 11 it has been hit the hardest, it's through these 12 relations with the independent community that the CBC 13 can potentially meet its mandate. 14 435 Furthermore, CBC's relationship with 15 the independent community has been hampered by its 16 reliance on commercial production for revenue. 17 Although it's understood why CBC produces commercials, 18 and that is part of how they perceive revenue and 19 that's also part of how the limited funding that is 20 sometimes dedicated to independent production is 21 arrived at, it's also competing with the private 22 sector, which is a major concern of a lot of my 23 membership who are commercial producers who wind up, in 24 effect, trying to compete with the public coffers for 25 production. StenoTran 91 1 436 Furthermore, the regional licences 2 that are offered to local producers are not allowed, 3 through the CBC's own regulations, to trigger 4 additional funding from the Canadian Television Fund. 5 This is because of the envelope that CBC National 6 reserves for national projects. In short, very little 7 regional production ever hits the national screen. 8 437 There has actually been a significant 9 decline of CBC production on the prairies. The Western 10 Television Production Study prepared for the Department 11 of Canadian Heritage shows that CBC's production of 12 western Canadian television has dropped 51 per cent 13 between 1993 and 1998. The majority of this production 14 was MOWs, movies of the week, for television and 15 miniseries. 16 438 In the next year, the CBC has 17 restricted further the production of miniseries and 18 movies of the week, these productions which have 19 typically benefitted regional producers. Now, with 20 North of 60 concluded, there is no prairie series 21 either. In fact, the only series in Canada at this 22 point is either from the east coast or west coast or 23 Toronto. There is nothing reflecting a prairie 24 sensibility. 25 439 Although, it is understood that the StenoTran 92 1 executives of the CBC, the people who actually wind up 2 making decisions in terms of what is going to be on 3 your television station, operate out of Toronto and 4 they are very busy people with very hectic schedules. 5 As a public broadcaster, they have an obligation to 6 come out to us, to meet with the producers on the 7 prairies, define what is available here and to work 8 with the people that are here to make production. 9 440 I'm not suggesting a politically 10 correct situation where it says you have to come out 11 and do 1 per cent here and 2 per cent there because the 12 population is spread out this way. The problem really 13 is that producers on the prairies have an incredibly 14 difficult time even connecting over the telephone with 15 producers at the CBC National in Toronto. It has 16 become described as the $1,500 lunch. If you can 17 afford $1,500 to go to lunch in Toronto to meet with 18 CBC producers you may have a shot of getting some sort 19 of production happening. If you can't, you won't. 20 441 The eastern-based producers will have 21 regular contact with the CBC just because they are down 22 the street. We don't have that fortune here. It is 23 imperative that the CBC seek out the best production 24 across the country including the prairies and seek 25 opportunities to bring this to the screen. StenoTran 93 1 442 The historical realities have changed 2 significantly over the last few years. There are 3 production companies in Manitoba and Saskatchewan that 4 are equal in strength and in stature to Atlantis, 5 Alliance 10 years ago. Manitoba has proven itself a 6 centre for movies of the week and miniseries through 7 productions like The Arrow, Nights Below Station 8 Street, and For Those Who Hunt the Wounded Down. 9 Manitoba can do television series, as shown through The 10 Adventures of Shirley Holmes. 11 443 The CBC has a vital role to play. 12 They have an obligation to reach out to the country in 13 its entirety and find out what kind of production is 14 available and bring this back to the screens and show 15 it to Canadians. It is within their mandate to do 16 this. The continual cutbacks to the CBC, regionally 17 and nationally, have hamstringed the efforts of local 18 producers and the CBC to realize this. 19 444 It is critical that if the CBC wants 20 to be able to maintain a viable role as a public 21 broadcaster, that it reaches out to the community, that 22 it stops cutting its own budgets, that it stops having 23 its efforts to reach its mandate being cut continually 24 by the government, and that it develop the 25 relationships with the regions similar to the StenoTran 94 1 relationships that it has developed with its eastern 2 partners. 3 445 Thank you. 4 446 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 5 Mr. Horne. 6 447 Mr. Krushen. 7 1518 8 448 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 9 Commissioner Wylie. 10 449 I would now like to call 11 Ms Bernice Baldwin. 12 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 13 450 MS BALDWIN: Thank you. 14 451 You have to have a comedian always 15 for every hearing, so I'm going to fill that capacity. 16 452 THE CHAIRPERSON: You are welcome, 17 Ms Baldwin. 18 453 MS BALDWIN: Thank you. 19 454 Since early in the eighties the 20 Conservative and Liberal record on privatization: The 21 airports; cutbacks on railroads and privatization; the 22 sale of the Churchill Sea Port, which affects us, and I 23 don't think they have the constitutional right to sell 24 sea ports. Halifax wants help to build up their 25 seaport so it is a super port, and I understand Ottawa StenoTran 95 1 is not going to come to the support of them, so they 2 have to stand on their own and compete with Boston or 3 New York or whatever. 4 455 They have withdrawn support for the 5 Health Protection Branch and our health. 6 456 I don't think it's unusual to expect 7 that they were going to work to privatize the CBC. 8 It's in the books. They don't want anything to do with 9 Canadians. 10 457 I wasn't going to do a presentation, 11 but I have been reading "The Globalization of Poverty: 12 The impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms" and I had to 13 talk because I'm going to read you a little bit of 14 this: 15 "While financiers are involved 16 in politics, politicians have 17 increasingly acquired a 18 financial stake in the business 19 community. Marred by conflict 20 of interests, the state system 21 in the west is in crisis as a 22 result of the ambivalent 23 relationship to private economic 24 and financial concerns. Under 25 these conditions the practice of StenoTran 96 1 democracy in the developed 2 countries has also become a 3 ritual. No policy alternative 4 is offered to the electorate. 5 As in a one-party state, the 6 results of the ballot have 7 virtually no impact on the 8 actual conduct of state economic 9 and social policy. In turn, the 10 state, under the neo-Liberal 11 policy agenda, has become 12 increasingly repressive in 13 curbing the democratic rights of 14 its citizens." (As read) 15 458 We recognize that the aim of the 16 present government is also as of the preceding one, 17 desirous of disappearing the Canadian nation as soon as 18 it is politically feasible. But let us warn them we 19 will not vanish quietly in the night. 20 459 I see these hearings as a repeat of 21 the methods employed by the Spicer hearings in 22 preparation for the vote on the Charlottetown Accord. 23 So you are surprised at the number of concerned 24 Manitobans who have an opinion on the future of public 25 broadcasting? We care. We do care. StenoTran 97 1 460 If they really wanted to hear from 2 us, why did they silence the voice of the local CBC 3 stations a few years ago and continuing to? 4 461 We have surfaced again news of a 5 desire, or is it an intention, to bury nuclear waste in 6 the Canadian Shield. Located in that same shield, I 7 vote for a location in Ottawa as being as reasonable as 8 any other site. What emanates from that area is not 9 conducive to a continued nation of Canada or care for 10 its citizens. 11 462 What is happening to all the money 12 the government brags about saving? It's not going 13 towards alleviation of the needs of the hungry and the 14 homeless. Who would ever think that, what was 15 considered one of the bread baskets of the world, we 16 would have hungry people and food banks and soup 17 kitchens, and an expectation that they are going to be 18 a permanent part of our societies and areas. 19 463 They have taught us to be cynical of 20 any program on information that they purport to share 21 with us. It's a cloud with no silver lining, any 22 expectation that anything good for us, in attempting to 23 maintain our public broadcasting, will arise from these 24 hearings. 25 464 Public broadcasting is our window on StenoTran 98 1 the whole of Canada, keeping us in touch with what our 2 neighbours are thinking and doing. It offers a 3 magnification nationwide of the talented artists, 4 academics, musicians who are born and developed on the 5 local scene first and need the opportunity on the wider 6 stage that the CBC offers. 7 465 We don't want to be delivered to 8 private stations with their dedication to consumerism. 9 In making this appeal for a continuation of an access 10 to an uninterrupted hour of pleasure which is provided 11 by ideas, reviews, serializing of recent books, 12 symphonies, farm news, I speak for all which adds to 13 our sense of sharing with our neighbours from to sea to 14 sea to sea. 15 466 We do not all have available 16 libraries, concert halls, art galleries, sports arenas 17 or theatres. We count on the CBC to deliver these into 18 our homes, isolated as many of us are. 19 467 With little expectation that these 20 hearings are any more than another exercise, I still 21 have a shred of hope that we may impress upon the 22 bureaucracy that maintenance of our voice in the world 23 is a wise political manoeuvre, the only aspect which 24 carries any credence in government choices, while 25 realizing that their voice, too, is secondary to an StenoTran 99 1 upper echelon of power. 2 468 I'm not persuaded that we are not 3 being submitted to the clutches of the International 4 Monetary Fund and the World Bank even now. I would 5 like to read you just this little bit from the end of 6 his book. 7 "Yugoslavia is a mirror of 8 similar economic restructuring 9 programs applied not only in the 10 developing world but also in 11 recent years in the United 12 States, Canada and Western 13 Europe. Strong economic 14 medicine `is the answer 15 throughout the world.' People 16 are led to believe that there is 17 no other solution. Enterprises 18 must be closed down, workers 19 must be laid off and social 20 programs must be slashed. It is 21 in the foregoing context that 22 the economic crisis in 23 Yugoslavia should be understood. 24 Pushed to the extreme, the 25 reforms are the cruel reflection StenoTran 100 1 of a destructive economic model 2 imposed under the neo-Liberal 3 agenda on national societies 4 throughout the world." 5 (As read) 6 469 Thank you very much. 7 470 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 8 Ms Baldwin. 9 471 Mr. Krushen. 10 1526 11 472 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 12 Commissioner Wylie. 13 473 I would now like to call Ms Margaret 14 Waterman. 15 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 16 474 MS WATERMAN: Thank you very much. 17 475 I wasn't going to make a 18 presentation. I was just going to come. But I do 19 think that I'm one of the silent majority across the 20 country who listens only to the CBC and has it on much 21 of the day, so my remarks are about radio only, both 22 Radio One and Radio Two. 23 476 Other speakers have commented on 24 various programs. I could add some, too, but I think 25 those of us who are here probably all have our StenoTran 101 1 favourite ones, and even ones that aren't our 2 favourites. We can see that the variety is there. 3 477 Commercial radio stations cannot do 4 what the CBC can do. Of course they are driven by the 5 profit motive and they must have advertising and they 6 must meet the wishes of their advertising public, but 7 what a dearth of radio listening we would have if we 8 had no choice. 9 478 I was in St. Louis, Missouri a few 10 years ago visiting relatives and I said "What is the 11 public radio station?" one evening when I was going to 12 be there alone. My daughter said, "Well, I don't think 13 you will find it very exciting, mom, but this is it." 14 Well, it was a whirlwind experience. There wasn't even 15 a 10-second introduction before we were launched into a 16 movement of a Mozart symphony, and I think perhaps 17 there was five seconds between that offering and the 18 next. The whole thing was done with so little dignity 19 that I couldn't even enjoy it. I came home enjoying 20 even the occasional seconds of silence on the CBC. 21 479 The benefits have also been named by 22 even the few people that I have heard speak. The CBC 23 must be one of the few forces that really hold this 24 country together now. We used to have a TransCanada 25 railway, we still do have a TransCanada Highway, but I StenoTran 102 1 think we may have to wait until we get a TransCanada 2 hiking trail before we can feel that there is anything 3 as important as the radio, which goes not just to the 4 cities and all the homes there but to the country and 5 to places where people have not access to some of the 6 things that the former speakers spoke of. 7 480 It overcomes regional isolation, 8 which is impossible given the size of our country. It 9 is impossible not to feel isolated if we can't share 10 something of the lives of people elsewhere in the 11 country. The CBC has done that in a marvellous way. 12 We find ourselves enjoying aspects, insights into 13 people's lives that none of us would -- or very few of 14 us could experience very much arising in that respect. 15 481 The thing that I have not heard 16 mentioned is that we live next to a very much larger, 17 not geographically but in all other ways, country to 18 the south of us. There has been a constant pressure 19 ever since Canada has been a country to make the ties 20 north-south rather than east-west. I'm not a U.S. 21 hater, but if we have a national radio we can withstand 22 those pressures much better and have a significant 23 difference in our approach to some of the questions 24 that are uppermost in many minds. 25 482 There is a great variety of StenoTran 103 1 programming on the local level and what chance have the 2 local people to get their programs shown or heard 3 nationally if they haven't got the wherewithal, the 4 money to develop them in the local scene. 5 483 I, too, am going to quote, and that 6 is, in 1993 when, in renewing the CBC's four radio 7 networks, the CRTC -- I think it is the CRTC -- said: 8 "The Commission considers that 9 the Corporation, in a time of 10 financial restraint and 11 uncertainty, should be commended 12 for the general excellence of 13 its radio programming which 14 stands as a model for 15 broadcasting in Canada and 16 around the world." (As read) 17 484 And in 1994, for renewal of the 18 English television network licence, I quote: 19 "The need may be greater than 20 ever for an outlet to express 21 truly Canadian stories, ideas 22 and values amid these foreign 23 voices. A strong Canadian 24 national public broadcaster is 25 indispensable in this context." StenoTran 104 1 (As read) 2 485 How are we going to keep that strong? 3 How are we going to fulfil that and continue to do so 4 if we experience the cutbacks and the controls that we 5 are threatened with? 6 486 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 7 Ms Waterman. 8 487 Mr. Krushen. 9 1533 10 488 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 11 Commissioner Wylie. 12 489 I would now like to call 13 Ms Roberta Christianson. 14 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 15 490 MS CHRISTIANSON: Good afternoon. 16 491 I would like to begin by thanking you 17 for allowing us this opportunity. I know how very 18 exhausting these kind of things can be, so thank you so 19 much for your time. 20 492 THE CHAIRPERSON: We are not even 21 tired. 22 493 MS CHRISTIANSON: Yet. 23 494 I would love to be able to have time 24 to speak to you about what CBC has meant to me as a 25 person who has chosen Canada as my country, I would StenoTran 105 1 love to be able to speak to you about what the CBC 2 means to me as someone who lives in rural Manitoba and 3 spends many, many hours in my car feeling a very 4 personal relationship with CBC as I drive around the 5 countryside, but I think it is most appropriate that I 6 speak to you today in my role as Chair of the Manitoba 7 Arts Council. 8 495 The council is the provincial funder 9 for artists and arts organizations in every discipline, 10 and I would like to speak to you of the importance, 11 from our perspective, of the role of the CBC and the 12 development of Manitoba artists and the education of 13 its audiences. 14 496 We see CBC as a very, very important 15 partner in this and they have done it very well to date 16 and we hope they will continue to do it. 17 497 As you know, Manitoba has a 18 relatively small population, most of it concentrated in 19 one large centre. We are isolated geographically from 20 other large centres and from the benefits of ready 21 access to media and markets. We do not have the 22 opportunities for arts dissemination, the venues or the 23 population base to sustain the arts that are available 24 to other Canadian artists. In spite of this, the 25 excellence of our arts is applauded throughout the StenoTran 106 1 world, and national media such as Globe and Mail 2 regularly cite Manitoba as being a centre for artistic 3 excellence. 4 498 Frequently, when regional programming 5 provides the opportunity for exposure, the programs are 6 picked up nationally. Programming such as Hot Off the 7 Docks, It's a Living and Heartland have been nominated 8 for awards and run across Canada to appreciative 9 audiences. 10 499 The CBC has been an equalizer of 11 opportunity for Manitoba Arts, and once that exposure 12 is provided, we can and do easily compete on national 13 and international levels. The CBC in Manitoba provides 14 an opportunity for our artists to be heard and seen. 15 This alone often leads to a demand and market for more 16 work and is a factor in the ability of artists to 17 develop a career with self-generated income. 18 500 For years I have been involved at the 19 community level in tour presentation and the groups 20 that would sell most easily are inevitably the groups 21 that we cannot afford; they have a very high national 22 profile. But the next easiest group to sell is someone 23 who has been exposed by CBC. They have been 24 interviewed, they have been heard, the community will 25 right away embrace, and it makes it much easier for us StenoTran 107 1 to bring that artist into our community and it makes 2 the community acceptance of it one step already 3 developed. 4 501 The CBC's commissioning of work is 5 also an employment opportunity and an important one for 6 artists in every discipline here who compete at a 7 disadvantage for public recognition. The commissioning 8 of work by the CBC has another benefit, that of 9 training and development. Through editorial and 10 production direction, Manitoba artists receive 11 professional development sometimes not otherwise 12 readily available to them in learning to edit and 13 refine their work to reach what is often a new or at 14 least an expanded audience. 15 502 The other important point I would 16 like to make is the CBC's role in the education of the 17 audiences. 18 503 The type of regional arts programming 19 provided by the CBC gives analysis and critical 20 attention to artistic work. This commitment to serious 21 arts journalism is of immeasurable benefit to the 22 artists in their own development, but it also has 23 another crucial benefit: it educates the audiences to 24 the work. Without understanding access and 25 appreciation for the context and intent of artistic StenoTran 108 1 endeavour, audiences would have no knowledge of how to 2 view or hear the work, how to understand its role in 3 their lives, and its important to their culture. 4 504 More than merely telling us what our 5 entertainment choices are, the CBC tells us, through 6 its analysis and coverage, how and why the work was 7 created and what it has to do with the rest of the 8 country and with being Manitobans. 9 505 The arts journalism provided by CBC 10 programming is a critical factor in the present and 11 long-term sustainability for the arts in Manitoba. It 12 is important to recognize that the CBC is the sum of 13 its parts and that the excellence of its regional 14 programming is therefore essential to the overall 15 quality of the CBC. If belonging to a culture is an 16 active rather than a passive state, we need the 17 commitment of the CBC to provide a vehicle for that 18 activity. 19 506 In this electronic age, it is no 20 longer the railroad or the TransCanada Highway that 21 binds our country together from sea to sea, it is 22 however a role that CBC can play. The CBC is one thing 23 the Government of Canada does that is accessible and 24 beneficial to us all. 25 507 The Manitoba Arts Council supports StenoTran 109 1 this work and would encourage the continued support of 2 this valuable service to Canadians. 3 508 Thank you. 4 509 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 5 Ms Christianson. 6 510 Mr. Krushen. 7 511 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 8 Commissioner Wylie. 9 512 That completes the current group that 10 I called to the table earlier. 11 513 As our colleagues next door in the 12 other room are not progressing through the agenda quite 13 as quickly as we have, we have moved three presenters 14 from next door to this room. 15 514 In addition, I will now also be 16 recalling the names of those who were not present when 17 I called their names initially. 18 515 At this time could I ask Ann Loewen, 19 Menno Klassen, Thomas Walker to please come to the 20 table. 21 516 In addition, if any of the following 22 names are present, could they come up as well: 23 Scott MacNeil, Kevin Miller, Leo Robert, 24 Mariette Mulaire, Eric Pownall and Len Soltis. 25 --- Short pause / Courte pause StenoTran 110 1 517 MR. KRUSHEN: I have just been handed 2 one additional name, Reverend Harry Lehotsky. 3 1539 4 518 At this time, I would like to ask 5 Ms Ann Loewen to commence her presentation. 6 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 7 519 MS LOEWEN: Good afternoon. Thank 8 you for the opportunity to speak here. 9 520 THE CHAIRPERSON: You are welcome, 10 Ms Loewen. It's our pleasure. 11 521 MS LOEWEN: Can you hear me? 12 522 THE CHAIRPERSON: Yes. 13 523 MS LOEWEN: Okay. 14 524 I would like to start out by saying 15 that I hate commercials and so I only listen to the 16 CBC radio and watch the commercial-free children's 17 programming with my children in the mornings, so my 18 comments will be confined to that. 19 525 I am a long-term CBC radio listener. 20 As some of the other speakers have mentioned, it was 21 only when I lived in the more remote and less 22 accessible parts of Canada that I realized how 23 important CBC was and continues to be. 24 526 While I was in university I was in a 25 major centre, but neither myself nor my colleagues had StenoTran 111 1 TVs or newspaper subscriptions and we all listened to 2 CBC. My American friends at the university I attended 3 were very envious of the information and quality of 4 listening that was available on the CBC. 5 527 When I move to Newfoundland to 6 continue training and then to work and live, I was in 7 Labrador and various other parts of Atlantic Canada. 8 It was both a revelation to me to realize how important 9 it was to access the same familiar programming, but 10 also to become familiar with the new culture and 11 geography that I was experiencing in that region 12 through the local Newfoundland and Atlantic Canada 13 programming. 14 528 I cannot see how I could have I could 15 have as quickly assimilated the understanding of the 16 issues that faced that community and population and its 17 various subregions without the CBC, because I do not 18 feel that the print media adequately reflected the 19 depth and breadth of the local issues and certainly the 20 local media did not report the national and 21 international events with any degree of thoroughness. 22 I found that I became absolutely dependent on CBC for 23 information when I lived in these very remote areas. 24 529 I have now moved back to Manitoba, 25 but I work in a rural area and, again, with the StenoTran 112 1 driving, with the distances, with the relative 2 superficiality of many other radio broadcasts, I do 3 find that there is a very major role for a 4 commercial-free, in-depth, Canadian-oriented but with a 5 world vision form of broadcasting to both make us 6 better as individual world citizens and to bind us 7 together and reinforce what makes us Canadian. 8 530 I was living in Newfoundland when one 9 of the first major rounds, in my knowledge of such 10 things, of cutbacks came to the CBC and all the 11 regional offices in Newfoundland and Labrador were 12 closed down and it was completely centralized to 13 St. John's, Newfoundland. Even as an outsider to the 14 Newfoundland culture, I realized what a shame this was 15 because Newfoundland is a culture of its own but it has 16 many subcultures within itself and those voices are 17 very important. 18 531 Again, in Manitoba, the northern 19 voices are very different from the southern voices, the 20 farming from the urban, and I think that the 21 regionality of CBC radio, in particular, is very 22 important and within the television realm as well, I'm 23 sure. 24 532 It would be a shame to see the CBC 25 become more centralized in Central Canada, as many StenoTran 113 1 trends seem to be these days, and I would certainly 2 urge the CRTC to consider encouraging very strongly 3 that the CBC's mandate be very much across Canada and 4 not just central Canada and radiating from there 5 outwards. 6 533 I would see it as a positive step if 7 the CBC television could reduce its dependence on 8 commercialization, however, this is perhaps something 9 beyond the CRTC and perhaps more a political issue. 10 But without a doubt, I see the effects of how 11 commercialization effects the transmission of 12 information and entertainment. 13 534 As I mentioned, I'm very glad that 14 there is commercial-free entertainment for the children 15 because I have seen, in very clear effects, the way it 16 modifies their behaviour and their desires and I don't 17 want that for my children any more than I want to be 18 barraged with the hype that goes along with 19 commercials. 20 535 In closing, I would like to say I'm 21 glad that I'm able to recommend to my colleagues, who 22 are frequently foreign and coming to rural areas, that 23 they tune into CBC when they come to Canada to be able 24 to hear what is going on around the world as well as to 25 familiarize themselves with the country they have moved StenoTran 114 1 to, and I would like to thank the CRTC for making this 2 process available to those of us who really care about 3 the CBC and its future. 4 536 Thank you. 5 537 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 6 Ms Loewen. 7 538 Mr. Krushen. 8 1545 9 539 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 10 Commissioner Wylie. 11 540 I now call Mr. Menno Klassen. 12 Mr. Klassen. 13 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 14 541 MR. KLASSEN: Thank you. 15 542 Hi. I have headed my presentation 16 "Canada's Fate and Quality of Life is Tied to the CBC". 17 It is that serious with us. I have headed that 18 presentation in that way. 19 543 In the twenties, we listened to the 20 CBC through crystal sets. In fact, we constructed 21 these sets in order that we could hear Foster Hewitt 22 announce the hockey games in those days, and other good 23 programs. 24 544 To us it is not a question of CBC or 25 no CBC but the need to restore the necessary funding so StenoTran 115 1 that it can do its job. No efforts should be spared in 2 order to achieve this perfection. 3 545 My presentation is short, I put it 4 together this morning, but every word could be expanded 5 into a presentation by itself, so I will proceed with 6 what I have here. 7 546 Without a strong and independent CBC, 8 Canadian distinctiveness will be lost forever. Without 9 it Canada, as we have come to know it, will vanish from 10 our seeing and from our hearing. The quality of 11 Canadian life would be drastically diminished. The CBC 12 has become such a significant part of our lives that 13 unless it is kept strong and healthy, pride of country 14 will fade into oblivion and responsible citizenship and 15 democracy will be insufferable -- will suffer. 16 547 Without the CBC listener choice will 17 be drastically reduced. People's lives will be filled 18 with unnecessary and irrelevant clutter to insult our 19 intelligence. An alternative source of broadcast 20 information, which an independent CBC can offer, will 21 be denied to discriminating Canadians. Our only 22 independent, unfettered broadcaster will be no more. 23 Many of our best and active citizens will be forced to 24 turn off the broadcast medium altogether and seek out 25 other types of media. The priceless educational StenoTran 116 1 service and cultural values that characterizes CBC 2 broadcasting has greatly enriched our lives. 3 548 Listeners to CBC may be in the 4 minority, but I would suggest it is a minority that we 5 dare not ignore or to undervalue this minority. The 6 fans of a strong and healthy CBC could well be 7 considered the true patriots of Canada that hold the 8 country together and defend its best democratic 9 traditions and cultural and spiritual values. 10 549 It is therefore of prime importance 11 that this value and national-building institution, the 12 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, be restored to its 13 proper place in the life of our country. 14 550 Submitted respectably. Thank you. 15 551 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 16 Mr. Klassen. 17 552 Mr. Krushen. 18 1550 19 553 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 20 Commissioner Wylie. 21 554 I would now like to call 22 Mr. Thomas Walker. 23 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 24 555 MR. WALKER: First of all, I would 25 like to apologize on two points. One is that, given StenoTran 117 1 the room, that I am not able to speak in the other 2 official language, especially since I have a 3 granddaughter who speaks only French. I think it shows 4 right away some of the educational inadequacies of our 5 country and some of the barriers that we allow to 6 occur. 7 556 Now, about another barrier, the 49th 8 Parallel, which I give thanks for every day -- 9 incidentally, I make no apologies for being an 10 out-and-out nationalist, given all my prejudices and so 11 on. 12 557 I recall being at a luncheon attended 13 by a variety of professional people, working people, 14 and the one person asks a question -- this was a 15 relative recent arrival from the U.K. -- an 16 understandable question: Why is there a boundary on 17 the 49th Parallel? Why is it there? 18 558 Good question. Out of at least 19 15 professionals, now keep in mind most of them were 20 engineers and accountants and you don't expect them to 21 know very much any how, but nobody was able to answer 22 the question. 23 559 So what on earth is lacking not only 24 in the schools and universities but in our general 25 input of knowledge? Nobody has heard of the United StenoTran 118 1 Empire of Lobbyists, for example, as they call it, and 2 the General Activists and the War of 1812. There is 3 definitely a conflict, a conflict of values and 4 attitudes. I won't bother going into that because my 5 knowledge of that is about as sparse as my knowledge of 6 the French language. 7 560 What on earth is going to keep this 8 country together? 9 561 We currently are faced with this 10 magazine issue, the split-runs on magazines, if you 11 have heard anything about it. But, personally, I think 12 the saving of the CBC radio and television is as 13 important if not more important than the saving of a 14 couple of Canadian publications. The thing that is 15 more insidious is that if the CBC were to disappear and 16 be taken over, I'm talking radio here, they would be 17 Canadian owned -- whoop de do -- but they would 18 generate nothing but U.S. material; in other words, all 19 our history and all the difference in attitudes and 20 values gradually become eroded. 21 562 I don't have too much sympathy with 22 the present Quebec government, but I can see their 23 point, that the rest of the North American continent is 24 turning into a bland homogenous entity and if you want 25 to retain any character, or so on, you have to do StenoTran 119 1 something about it. 2 563 It's sad to say a lot of my peers 3 don't feel the same way. The thing that bothers me 4 this afternoon is that we are reaching at the 5 converted. It's all about the same people that you 6 would expect to have at this type of hearing, the 7 people that care. Now, you would probably count on the 8 same people on almost anything if it was important to 9 their country, but the others aren't there. 10 Unfortunately, come election day, the others' votes 11 count just as much as do the votes of anybody in this 12 room. 13 564 My own experience with the CBC -- you 14 know, I'm a junkie, a CBC junkie, like everybody else 15 here. I have had every radio. If I could have them 16 fused to one station, I would, but the CBC One and the 17 CBC Two makes it a little difficult. 18 565 My only complaint is the signal is 19 usually so weak and it is perpetually being jammed by 20 rock and roll stations. Once you get off the station, 21 I find it hard to get back on it. I don't know if 22 anybody else runs into that. 23 566 The wonderful thing about radio is 24 you can do something else and still hear it, or you can 25 be some place where you can't get TV and you can still StenoTran 120 1 listen to it. 2 567 I also have the odd acquaintances, a 3 member of a right-wing party I won't mention, and they 4 say they can't wait to have it commercialized or 5 privatized. Well, we in Manitoba went through an 6 experience with our telephone company and we believe 7 that the word "privatize" has become synonymous with 8 "sodomize". 9 568 What would be worse, more degrading 10 yet, is another type of PBS where people stand there 11 weekly and beg for nickels and dimes. You know, a 12 great and important national institution that happens 13 to operate on charity would just be unconscionable. 14 You know, you might as well get rid of all the 15 libraries and everything else. 16 569 Yes, perhaps this person from the 17 U.K. is right. Why bother with the 49 Parallel? We 18 can all go down to Texas and go into -- well, anyhow. 19 570 Thank you. 20 571 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 21 Mr. Walker. 22 572 Mr. Krushen. 23 1555 24 573 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 25 Commissioner Wylie. StenoTran 121 1 574 I would now like to call Reverend 2 Harry Lehotsky. 3 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 4 575 REV. LEHOTSKY: Hi. 5 576 My own perspective is maybe a little 6 bit different from some of those who have spoken. I'm 7 an inner-city pastor and I guess the issues that I deal 8 with on a day-to-day basis sometimes overwhelm me to 9 the point where I feel out of place at a hearing like 10 this. 11 577 I don't share the same angst I guess 12 about the loss of a Canadian identity. I don't have 13 the same paranoia about the government cutting out our 14 tongues. 15 578 I am concerned, though, and that's 16 what brought me here anyway, I plugged my parking meter 17 with an extra coin because what the CBC does is 18 important to us as well in the inner city and the work 19 that we are doing. 20 579 I can speak to this from a number of 21 different issues. 22 580 I guess as a pastor, I have 23 experienced a respect without a patronizing attitude. 24 Those of you who are familiar with the evangelical 25 church, evangelical tradition, there is a great StenoTran 122 1 paranoia about the media, and sometimes even a fear of 2 doing things out in the public arena because of the 3 fact that people just won't understand and it won't be 4 reported fairly. 5 581 Part of what has happened in my 6 experience, in the circle of churches that I'm familiar 7 with or that are familiar with me, has encouraged them 8 to get more involved as well, because as they have seen 9 us involved in the inner-city community doing things, 10 sometimes from a right-of-centre perspective, sometimes 11 from an evangelical rather than mainline perspective, 12 what has encouraged them is that we have been treated 13 fairly. That has encouraged me and given me more 14 boldness to keep going out and doing the things we have 15 done. I have not always experienced that in different 16 places. 17 582 So as a pastor I have been encouraged 18 and I have seen other faith communities also get more 19 involved in the community as a result of having some of 20 those fears alleviated of unfair treatment. 21 583 I do want to give a little bit of a 22 shot to the CRTC about the resistance to a Christian 23 station, an explicitly Christian station. You can 24 have -- you know, some of the stuff that we have, the 25 specialty stations already, the head-banging StenoTran 123 1 obscenities set to music, that's kosher, you know, but 2 a Christian station is somehow off limits, aboriginal 3 networks, country or musical classic stations. We 4 don't have one music station and say give equal time to 5 every style of music. I think it is kind of ludicrous 6 to say we have one faith station, give equal time to 7 every faith. It wouldn't be fair to the music lovers 8 and its not fair to people of faith to say you are not 9 allowed to have your own network if you have the 10 resources to do it. 11 584 But that aside, let's move on to some 12 of the other stuff. 13 585 In terms of some of the inner-city 14 work that I do, I appreciate the regional work that CBC 15 does. I appreciate the fact that they have invested in 16 the inner city in terms of the place where their 17 station is. It's encouraging to see them there, as I 18 live not too far from there. 19 586 It also brings across some vested 20 interest in terms of the reporters when they go out 21 into the community. They want to get to know the 22 community around them a little bit better, and that has 23 been I think a benefit to us as well. 24 587 I have seen a depth of reporting in 25 terms of -- and that has something to do with resources StenoTran 124 1 that has been talked about here, you need resources to 2 be able to have that depth of reporting, but also a 3 passion and questions that I don't hear asked by other 4 people. That I'm very appreciative of. It's not just 5 what sells ads, but sometimes what needs saying, and 6 even by people who aren't that articulate. 7 588 In the other room they were talking 8 about how it's a showcase for Canadian talent before it 9 gets viable enough on the commercial airways. It also 10 is a showcase and a platform for people in the 11 community who are not that articulate yet. Somebody 12 has the time to work through the issue and actually 13 hear what they are saying and then report it, and that 14 is a huge benefit to our community. 15 589 There are issues of zoning, planning, 16 housing policy, by-laws that are totally skimmed over 17 by other media outlets at times, and we have found the 18 CBC quite helpful in terms of even helping us clarify 19 how to articulate those concerns and issues. 20 590 Cuts in funding is always an issue, I 21 guess, and that's not your scope I guess right now, but 22 I mean the question begs asking: Wouldn't a dollar be 23 better spent putting food in a kid's mouth or building 24 a house than paying a CBC reporter what they are paid 25 as opposed to someone else or the facilities? But I StenoTran 125 1 think that also in the inner city what we need -- and 2 there are other ways of doing that. I don't think if 3 it is cut in one place it is necessarily going to go to 4 the kids anyway. I'm not naive enough to think that. 5 591 What we do need is an institution 6 that promotes excellence and a depth of coverage and 7 reporting, and I appreciate that. 8 592 In terms of recommendations, I would 9 like to see some more community round tables that are 10 facilitated through the CBC discussions, whether it is 11 news or forums, that have a breadth of perspective. 12 593 I would like to see more youth 13 programming, youth involvement in programming and youth 14 programming itself. 15 594 I would like to see a further 16 development of technology in terms of even archives for 17 students. More and more students are doing their 18 research on the Net, and to have some archives in the 19 real video or real audio kind of stuff. Those kinds of 20 things are very helpful to kids in terms of education 21 as well, and adults. I would like that as well. 22 595 Those are my comments. Thanks. 23 596 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 24 Rev. Lehotsky. 25 597 Mr. Krushen. StenoTran 126 1 1600 2 598 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 3 Commissioner Wylie. 4 599 I would now like to call 5 Mr. Eric Pownall. 6 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 7 600 MR. POWNALL: Well, I want to start 8 off by saying that the best way to protect Canadian 9 culture would be to maintain the levels of Canadian 10 content within all broadcasting within Canada. The 11 idea of maintaining a CBC for that purpose is not only 12 foolish and stupid, but an incredible waste of money. 13 I mean, both CBC TV and CBC radio represent a costly 14 indulgence and misuse of taxpayers' money that the 15 Canadian public can no longer afford to subsidize to 16 the tune of $800 million a year. With this, all we 17 get, all we buy with that money is a paltry less than 18 11 per cent market share, which is another way of 19 saying that over 89 per cent of the Canadian public is 20 saying they don't like what you offer at CBC. It's 21 just worthless to them. 22 601 You have to keep in mind that a lot 23 of that 11 per cent is based on a few very popular 24 programs. They bring the average up, which means the 25 others -- there must be a great many programs on CBC StenoTran 127 1 that have such a low rating they are barely above that 2 of a test pattern, which is really not saying much for 3 the bulk of CBC content with an average of less than 4 11 per cent market share. 5 602 When I confronted Mister -- I think 6 his name is Redekopp and Mr. Beatty and asked the 7 question about what do they plan to do about the 11 per 8 cent market share, the response I got was that it 9 didn't matter. They simply didn't care, or at least 10 that's the impression I got, that a less than 11 per 11 cent market share is perfectly acceptable to them, 12 which is the same as saying so what if we are flushing 13 money down the toilet? 14 603 It also seems that -- and this issue 15 was also brought to their attention as well -- that the 16 CBC seems to cater to small but very vocal special 17 interest groups. They seem to have the ear of the CBC. 18 The mainstream doesn't seem to. 19 604 It is highly politicized by a very 20 corrupt government, and a current government, since it 21 is being used by the government in power to reward 22 certain special interest groups for their political 23 support. Whenever our government exerts influence or 24 control there is always a strong possibility that the 25 kind of corruption associated with cronyism, nepotism StenoTran 128 1 and political patronage are likely to occur. 2 605 You only have to reference the 3 comments made by Prime Minister Chrétien to 4 Peter Mansbridge on a CBC TV interview shortly after he 5 was first elected as Prime Minister in which he 6 commented that the use of political patronage by the 7 Liberal party was natural, normal and accepted and will 8 continue to occur because they have to do it in order 9 to survive politically. Without it, they would never 10 survive. 11 606 And CBC is not an independent 12 organization. It may be a so-called Crown Corporation, 13 but it's -- I mean, when you consider the head of the 14 CBC is appointed by the government, effectively they 15 have say over its every function, in effect. That 16 means that it can also be used as an instrument by 17 government to serve its purposes rather than perform 18 all the intended functions and the be self-supporting, 19 that is to say not be a burden to the taxpayer. 20 607 It has had a very long time to get 21 its act together and it hasn't. I think it is 22 blatantly obvious to anyone with an ounce of 23 intelligence they never will. They have neither the 24 will, the intention or the ability to do so. 25 608 I mean, after the comments I made StenoTran 129 1 about the heads of CBC when I asked them those 2 questions and got such a flaccid response, I was 3 amazed. And it tells me that the people running CBC 4 have a lack of business acumen because of their lack of 5 concern about their 11 per cent market share. I mean, 6 it should be run to a certain extent like a business. 7 They should try to make it self-supporting. 8 609 The Canadian content regulations 9 should be sufficient to foster Canadian culture and 10 with time that should grow, but not when it's a burden 11 to the taxpayer to the tune of $800 million a year. 12 610 CBC will become increasingly 13 irrelevant as time goes by. It will be lost in a sea 14 of cable channels and satellite service. I mean, there 15 are hundreds of channels. Now you can -- I think as 16 long as you sign up for something like a 30-month 17 period you can get the satellite dish thrown in free, 18 and it's like $15 a month or something. Some services 19 are offering it as cheap as that. It's cheaper than 20 cable. People in remote locations don't need CBC any 21 more, they can save a lot of money by taking the 22 $800 million and buy them all satellite dishes and tell 23 them to have fun. It would be a lot cheaper and maybe 24 probably a lot happier. 25 611 To make things even worse, or better, StenoTran 130 1 depending on how you want to look at it, eventually the 2 Internet will add more programming to the mix, 3 especially when broadband service, brought about by 4 fibre optic hook-ups to homes, will be made available 5 in the future. I mean, they offer an incredible 6 broadband service that will put the satellite service 7 to shame. 8 612 CBC will become so irrelevant. I 9 mean, all I hear here are the -- probably most of the 10 11 per cent of our audience in Winnipeg are probably 11 here. That is a very small audience for CBC. It's a 12 horrible waste of money, especially when it can be used 13 by so many other things. I mean, you could probably 14 take a portion of the $800 million and do a lot more 15 for Canadian culture than CBC has ever been able to do. 16 A lot of the programming they produce seems to be of a 17 generic bland nature, nondescript, not even so much as 18 to hide the Canadian aspect of the location so that the 19 programming will have appeal to an American audience 20 with a possible eye towards selling the programs to 21 Americans. I begin to wonder: Where is the Canadian 22 culture in that? None. 23 613 So the use of CBC as a -- it seems to 24 be the government tends to use CBC as an instrument of 25 government policy, at least this government does. When StenoTran 131 1 the CBC has a meagre 11 per cent market share, it seems 2 to not only be foolish and pathetic but a horrible 3 waste of money. 4 614 The only way to remove this stain of 5 a very corrupt government would be to privatize CBC and 6 maintain the Canadian content as would any other 7 private station. Having it Canadian owned and heavily 8 subsidized by the Canadian government has done nothing 9 at all to improve either the content or the quality of 10 the program or its market share. 11 615 It doesn't seem to matter how much 12 you put into it, nothing seems to change at CBC, and 13 the only way to fix it is to privatize it. 14 616 Thank you. 15 617 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 16 Mr. Pownall. 17 618 Mr. Krushen. 18 1609 19 619 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 20 Commissioner Wylie. 21 620 At this point I would like to call 22 Ms Melinda McCracken to come up to the table. 23 621 In addition, if there is anyone else 24 in the audience who has not yet made a presentation but 25 would like to do so, please come up to the table now as StenoTran 132 1 well. 2 622 Thank you. 3 --- Short pause / Courte pause 4 623 MR. KRUSHEN: Please start when you 5 are ready, Ms McCracken. 6 PRESENTATION / PRÉSENTATION 7 624 MS McCRACKEN: Good afternoon, 8 everyone, and thank you very much for accepting me, 9 Mr. Krushen. 10 625 I'm a writer and I'm also a CBC 11 junkie. Unlike the previous speaker, I would like to 12 say the way to fix CBC is not to privatize it but to 13 keep it going because I think we all benefit very 14 deeply and broadly from the CBC. 15 626 So my presentation is a more personal 16 and first-person singular kind of presentation because 17 I usually do this sort of thing. 18 627 Winnipeg had its biggest snowfall of 19 the year yesterday. I left my job at 9:45 p.m. and 20 went out into a silent world, muffled in a foot of 21 snowflakes. I brushed the fluffy snow off my car, got 22 in and turned the key. The radio came on. I drove 23 home in my car cocoon treated to a conversation between 24 Eleanor Wachtel and Nobel Prize winning novelist 25 Tony Morrison. A repeat, but what a repeat. What StenoTran 133 1 better company than Writers and Company when you are 2 tired and snowbound in Winnipeg in March? 3 628 I got a hint of the importance of CBC 4 radio to those of us living out on the prairies two 5 summers ago when I drove from Winnipeg to Vancouver and 6 back. When I left the mountains and hit the flats east 7 of Calgary before Medicine Hat, the roads straightened, 8 the land flattened out and the sun blazed down in a 9 vast empty sky. I pointed the noise of the car toward 10 the east and held it there. With no steering to do and 11 nothing to see I naturally switched on the radio. The 12 sounds that filled the sky kept me awake and alive all 13 the way home. 14 629 As a writer, I carry out many 15 solitary tasks. I live by the CBC perhaps more than 16 most people. On a bracing walk this morning I heard 17 Michael Enright talk to D.M. Thomas about Thomas' 18 biography of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. I eat lunch to 19 The Farm Report, paint my kitchen to the Richardson's 20 Roundup and marvel at how listeners to that program 21 have access to the airwaves via telephone and cell 22 phone, even calling in from the highway and honking 23 their car horns. 24 630 Bill Richardson has taken 25 story-writing techniques from creative writing StenoTran 134 1 workshops and adapted them to radio. He asks people to 2 call in with stories about their strange names or their 3 worst jobs. 4 631 On Halloween this year, I raked my 5 leaves to Bob Mcdonald interviewing a scientist about 6 the nocturnal habits of vampire bats. 7 632 I eat dinner to CBC's 24 Hours and 8 always watch Monday's when my friend, Ian Ross, the 9 playwright, as Joe from Winnipeg gave his weekly shot 10 of wisdom and whimsy and asked: What's up with that? 11 633 I wrote and read a three-minute bit 12 on the CBC information radio's New Manitoba Voices. I 13 was looking forward to doing more such pieces. I was 14 just beginning to settle in to enjoy the CBC and to 15 marvel at the quality of programming we were getting 16 when the technicians struck. 17 634 During the 1997 flood of the century, 18 I listened from dawn until dusk as reliable familiar 19 local CBC hosts fielded phone calls from farmers asking 20 for help with moving animals, requests for volunteers 21 to build dykes. People out battling the flood were 22 able to relay their stories of acts of heroism to the 23 community at large. Men with cell phones stopped on 24 the highway to report convoys of army trucks converging 25 on Winnipeg from the east and the west. StenoTran 135 1 635 During the flood, radio came into its 2 own as a medium with hosts spelling off and fielding 3 calls. CBC's 24 Hours expert cameramen hauled their 4 high-tech cameras up in planes and helicopters and with 5 mobile uplink units seized the inspired shots of the 6 Red Sea, water stretching far as the eye could see and 7 beamed them around the world. These were the shots 8 that prompted the entire globe to give spontaneously 9 from its heart to those in need. 10 636 You just can't beat radio. I'm sold 11 on it as a medium. Sound is evocative and immediate. 12 Recently I picked up some glossy coloured magazines. I 13 noticed their news seemed strangely out of date 14 compared to the news I have been hearing on the radio. 15 A steady dose of CBC radio, with constant news updates, 16 accustoms a listener to information that is on top of a 17 breaking story just as it happens, something print is 18 not capable of doing. I have been spoiled by CBC 19 radio. 20 637 CBC radio and TV binds Canada 21 together in one intelligent, thoughtful, responsible 22 community. The image the CBC reflects to Canadians is 23 the image of ourselves we Canadians prefer. CBC's 24 Radio broadcast journalism based in BBC traditions and 25 standards is top notch, fact-packed, up to date, on top StenoTran 136 1 of events providing some documentaries that bring 2 reality right into your home. 3 638 Even on a budget that is anorexic 4 compared to what it once was, the CBC continues to 5 deliver programming that reflects the talents and 6 intelligence of the skilled people it employs and its 7 commitment to excellence in public service 8 broadcasting. 9 639 I'm grateful to the CBC for 10 steadfastingly continuing to deliver the values of 11 public broadcasting, honesty, responsibility, ethics 12 and intelligence without the undermining of the drive 13 for profit. 14 640 I believe the CBC should be even more 15 objective, more critical of governments and politicians 16 and more diligent in its quest to expose corruption. 17 641 How to improve the CBC? Give it more 18 money, restore cuts in funding. Let it develop more 19 This Hour Has 22 Minutes, more Kids in the Hall, more 20 Air Farce, more fantastic Witness documentaries, more 21 Fifth Estate investigations, more health shows, more 22 Market Places. Let it nurture more Finklemans(ph), 23 both Danny and Ken; more Denis Foons(ph); more Norma 24 Baileys(ph); more Red Greens; more David Adams Richards 25 or Wendy Mesleys(ph); more Mark Styrowitzes(ph); Holger StenoTran 137 1 Petersens; Terry MacLeods; Diana Swaines(ph); Ross 2 Rutherfords; Al Rays; Ian Rosses; Dean Jenkinsons; Mike 3 Beauregaurds(ph); Maurine Pendigrasses(ph); Robert 4 Enrights; Laurie Browns; and Peter Mansbridges; Peter 5 Gzowskis; Eric Sorensens; Joan Leichmans(ph); Jason 6 Mochkovitches(ph); Ian Adam Mansings(ph); Don Murrays; 7 more Sandy Colemans; more still cameramen and graphic 8 artists; more great comedy, documentaries and drama. 9 642 The CBC is essential to Canada. 10 Canada is a vast land mass with very few people. The 11 CBC provides friendly intelligent voices telling us 12 what is going on, sharing jokes, stories, information, 13 drama and fun with thousands of solitary listeners 14 scattered across the continent. Many of us are 15 engrossed in doing solitary tasks: driving vehicles, 16 painting walls, carpentry and cooking, eating, 17 computing, all tasks we can do while listening to the 18 radio. 19 643 We work alone with no one to talk to. 20 With CBC we are never alone. We may have no one to 21 talk to, but we always have someone to listen to. CBC 22 broadcasters are some of our best friends. The CBC 23 expands our community, gives us more friends. 24 644 Does CBC serve the needs of the 25 people of Canada? Yes, by keeping us on top of StenoTran 138 1 late-breaking stories with great journalism, by 2 allowing us phone-in access to air our views, by giving 3 us great comedy to laugh at and great drama to cry 4 about. 5 645 Yes, the CBC is a major contributor 6 to the health and wellbeing of Canadians. It is the 7 most important link between Canadians. It binds us 8 together. Rather than indulging in too much naval 9 gazing, let's celebrate the CBC's great accomplishments 10 and support its enterprise into the 20th Century. 11 646 So remember, if it ain't broke don't 12 fix it, and right now it's not broke. 13 647 Thank you very much. 14 --- Applause / Applaudissements 15 648 THE CHAIRPERSON: Thank you, 16 Ms McCracken. 17 649 MS McCRACKEN: Thanks. 18 650 THE CHAIRPERSON: Mr. Krushen. 19 651 MR. KRUSHEN: Thank you, 20 Commissioner Wylie. 21 652 I would just like to ask once again 22 if there is anyone else in the room who has not yet 23 made a presentation that would like to do so, could you 24 please come forward now. 25 653 THE CHAIRPERSON: We will now take a StenoTran 139 1 15-minute break, after which we will hear the comments 2 of representatives of the CBC. 3 654 Nous prendrons maintenant une pause 4 de 15 minutes, après quoi nous entendrons les 5 représentants de Radio-Canada. 6 655 So we will be back in 15 minutes. 7 --- Short recess at 1620/ Courte suspension à 1620 8 --- Upon resuming at 1630/ Reprise à 1630 9 656 THE CHAIRPERSON: Order please. 10 657 We will now proceed to hear from 11 representatives of the CBC. 12 658 Nous entendrons maintenant les 13 commentaires d'un représentant de Radio-Canada. 14 659 M. FONTAINE: Bonjour, Madame Wylie, 15 Monsieur Krushen. 16 660 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Bonsoir ou bonjour, 17 Monsieur. 18 REPLY / RÉPLIQUE 19 661 M. FONTAINE: Je m'appelle 20 René Fontaine et je suis le Directeur de la radio 21 française pour les régions des Prairies. Au nom de 22 tous mes collègues de Radio-Canada, je tiens à 23 remercier le Conseil de l'occasion qui nous est donnée 24 d'entendre des commentaires du grand public sur la 25 programmation qui leur est offerte. StenoTran 140 1 662 Listening to the public's comments 2 today are representatives of each of the CBC media, and 3 among us are Carl Karp, Director of Programming for 4 English Television; the Director of English Radio in 5 Manitoba, John Bertrand; et il y a aussi le Directeur 6 de la télévision française de l'ouest, Lionel 7 Bonneville. 8 663 The issues and opinions that were 9 presented today are of great importance to the CBC. We 10 value input from our audiences and we appreciate the 11 opportunity to hear it directly. We have noted the 12 numerous comments made here today and it is our 13 intention to address it directly with each intervenor 14 wherever there is any question that was left 15 unanswered. 16 664 It is also our intention to respond 17 in writing to the CBC, if it so wishes, to any concerns 18 that have been brought forward and that require further 19 clarification. 20 665 Je veux vous assurer que nous allons 21 accorder la plus grande considération à tous les propos 22 qui ont été avancés à cette audience et que nous 23 chercherons à y répondre dans la mesure du possible 24 lorsque nous présenterons nos demandes de 25 renouvellement de licence au mois de mai prochain. StenoTran 141 1 666 Today's presentations have raised 2 many points that are worthy of further discussion and 3 we will be pleased to follow up with these during the 4 licence renewal hearings. 5 667 J'aimerais dire à quel point j'ai été 6 particulièrement touché par la ferveur et l'intensité 7 des propos de tous nos intervenants et aussi par le 8 degré d'appréciation qu'ils ont -- c'était assez 9 évident, je le crois -- degré d'appréciation qu'ils ont 10 pour la programmation à Radio-Canada. 11 668 Once again, my colleagues and I would 12 like to thank you for today's opportunity to hear the 13 public's concerns and their appreciation of our 14 programming. 15 669 Merci beaucoup. 16 670 LA PRÉSIDENTE: Merci, 17 Monsieur Fontaine. 18 671 I would like to remind everyone that 19 a transcript is being made of the proceeding today and 20 all the presentations have been transcribed and will 21 become part of the renewal file in the May hearing. 22 672 Alors, je voudrais rappeler aux gens 23 qu'il y a eu un procès-verbal créé et que toutes les 24 représentations donc feront partie du dossier du 25 renouvellement de Radio-Canada qui aura lieu à Hull StenoTran 142 1 vers la fin du mois de mai, le 25 mai de fait. 2 673 Nous remercions tous ceux qui se sont 3 présentés. Il nous est très important évidemment 4 d'avoir des réponses à nos invitations pour ces 5 consultations et nous sommes toujours bien contents de 6 voir autant de gens que possible. 7 674 So we thank you all who have answered 8 our call. We are always happy to see that people do 9 respond to our attempt to give more Canadians the 10 opportunity to speak to us. 11 675 Thank you again. 12 676 Of course we will be back at 6:00 to 13 hear those who have registered to come and visit us 14 tonight. 15 677 Merci. 16 678 Merci, Monsieur Fontaine. 17 --- Recess at 1635 / Suspension à 1635 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 StenoTran
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